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Old 10-19-2014, 09:50 PM   #1
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05 with a hard time starting when cold.

I noticed that when it drops below 50*F that my car has a hard time getting started. I think its a fuel pump issue but I don't know for sure.
If I jump in car turn the key on a cold morning it will just crank and crank with no attempt at it even firing.
But if I cycle the key a few time or let the ignition sit in the ON position for a minute then turn it back off then back on it fires right up.

Could the fuel pump be going, or water on top of the sending unit?

I am going to pick up a new relay, well at work tomorrow and see if that is the issue but if Not I am going to be scratching my head on this one..


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Old 10-20-2014, 12:58 AM   #2
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After starting are there any other issues?

Given it is a cold start issue it might be worth checking the battery, would be good to rule it out first before digging to deep into fuel systems.
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'05 was known for this, second try or cycle key for a cold start.

"reflash" avail. at Dealer if it hasn't ever been done.


Otherwise it might be a sign of a fuel pump assy. problem, check valve not holding pressure. DON'T go replacing it without checking with a scan tool to see what the pressure is doing, waste of too much effort & $.
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After starting are there any other issues?

Given it is a cold start issue it might be worth checking the battery, would be good to rule it out first before digging to deep into fuel systems.
Thought the battery was the issue and I swapped that out the day after I noticed the issue and it still does it.

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'05 was known for this, second try or cycle key for a cold start.

"reflash" avail. at Dealer if it hasn't ever been done.

Otherwise it might be a sign of a fuel pump assy. problem, check valve not holding pressure. DON'T go replacing it without checking with a scan tool to see what the pressure is doing, waste of too much effort & $.
I will have to take it in and see if they can tell me if that was done. But I sure a hell don't have the money to have that done unless it was a freebie issue.

If it is a Fuel pump its not big deal for me to do it. I work at a Parts store so parts cost is not that huge of a deal, the time thing is what I don't have.
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Old 10-20-2014, 07:17 PM   #5
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If you have access to a scantool or ELM327 based OBD2 reader device check to see what the coolant temperature is being read as when cold. I bring this up as a previous car I owned had a no start when "cold" issue which ended up being a bad temperature sender (was a 1986 Oldsmobile with OBD1 so none of these dirt cheap OBD2 readers like we have now). If it is way off of where it should be (right around ambient temperature if left sitting over night) then probably a bad sender, if not that at least you ruled it out.

In my case, the car would crank and crank and crank would do it for 10-15 minutes in the morning but once it started up it was fine and when I went to start the car in the afternoon it was fine too, just the overnight "cold" start would cause problems.
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Old 10-20-2014, 07:33 PM   #6
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Pcordes1979 that could be the issue I am having. That is exactly what it is doing to me. I will have to see is I can find out if anyone I know has a scanner that does more than just read codes.
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Can't tell much sometimes without that tool, guessing to throw parts at it gets MUCH more expensive.
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Old 10-21-2014, 04:07 PM   #8
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I get that I could throw money at it but for me to go to a shop and have them look at and do a diagnostic test on it I am going to be spending around 3 hours and at $65-$95 an hour for their "time", It freaking Sucks living in Michigan and so close to the Metro Detroit area. We are one of the three Highest costing places in the US can really hurt the wallet.
I am looking for a reader but no luck so far.
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Then the cheap fix is to remember to cycle the key when it's cold.
It won't hurt it, and if it really is the fuel pump, it'll let you know soon enough.
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I am not trying to sound like I am being a cheap ass but right now I am doing the whole living paycheck to paycheck life again and I hate it. I NEED to get it fixed soon, Today I had to wait ten minutes before it kicked on, It was a cold one this morning, 30* out there, and it cut me so close to being late for work.
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