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finally starting my journey to 450whp

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EDIT: im editing this to give a quick hopefully short summary of what i want out of this thread. i would like some help finding some things and maybe learn some things.
i would like to locate a billet oil pump gear for high revs like what CFM had. unfortunately CFM no longer sells those. if you have a lead please tell me
cheap vband waste gates around 46mm.
somebody should sponsor me since im going to be at the track alot! that means give me $$$!!!! lol joking?
im getting the borgwarner/bullseye s258 unless you know of something better
i need intake manifold options other than topspeed. i dont like theirs.
what EXACTLY do i need for a return fuel system? cheapest way to do it? i know very little about this other than that it needs to be done.
help me with pick out a clutch. i want to spend under $700 for one to hold 450whp/tq every day and maybe 50-75 dyno pulls ONLY (no track or street) at 600whp during its life. no twin disk unless it can last for at least 25k-30k miles.
teach me about anti-lag. ya know? shooting massive fireballs out the tail pipe and making lots of racket. can it be done with the focus?
help me hook up (traction)
help me locate wheels that look like SVT 5 spokes but are at least 8 inches wide or wider that will fit under rolled/slightly flared fenders without rubbing when turning. a rub when bottoming out the suspension is completely acceptable.

now you can read the rest of the post if you want. i think its funny because i typed it up while jacked up out of my gord on sleeping pills and nyquil and i will ramble horribly when i get on here in that state.


well i always like getting input. i have a thread basically asking how to get to 450whp. i know how now and im going for it and i will be at least part of the way there in about a month or two, God willing. this thread will serve as a bit of a documentary i guess. im going to take lots and lots of before and after pics and ill see if some can maybe get snapped during the process as well. unfortunately i wont be present for the build since this is being done a few states away.

a certain somebody is going to have possession of my car for a little while to fabricate a brand new type of turbo kit for the zetec and duratec focus. in the process he is going to do a complete rebuild for me to get the engine in shape to handle the power. at the very least i will be sitting on between 300 and 330whp when he is done.

the main issue is going to be coming up with all the $$$ i need between now and then. which is why i am now accepting all donations! im just joking about donations unless you just feel compelled to give your money away or you want to sponsor me. i have no problem with putting a few bigass stickers on my car for some help getting this thing done. it WILL be at the track quite a bit..... just saying. anyhow back to serious stuff.

im going to need a bigger turbo than the turbonetics super60 that i currently have which will set me back quite a bit along with a return fuel system. i am also in a fuzz over the intake manifold. sorry but i just dont like topspeed's manifold. they are overpriced and i dont like the idea of a partially plastic manifold under high boost. that being said i know the stock manifold can take over 400whp/tq worth of boost so i might stick with it until/if it busts.

for turbo, i am currently leaning in the direction of the bullseye s256 or s258. or call it a borg warner [eek] unless someone has a cheaper turbo that can make the same power and be as reliable. i still want to crest 600whp on race gas occasionally hence the need/want for such a big one. that might run be around $1300.

im still open to any and all suggestions for what clutch to run. i DO NOT want to spend $1200 for the twin disk clutchmasters unless somebody can prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that im going to be able to squeeze at least 25k miles out of it. i know im about to spend a crap ton of money but it doesnt make me any less cheap. i want to get a lot of mileage out of this thing if at all possible. if i can find a $500 ish clutch that will hold 450whp/tq on a day to day basis and MIGHT hold 600ishwhp on a dyno once or twice every few months that would be preferred. for the record i have been known to dream from time to time.

open for input on BOV and WG too. im going to try the greddy type RS BOV and see if it works out for now since i already have it. ill probably buy a precision 46mm vband waste gate unless somebody knows of a vband WG that will do the job for cheaper. im looking at $315 for the WG just FYI.

i have not got a clue in the world what intercooler is being used. i am quite curious about that since unless im mistaken the master fabricator doing all of this wonderfulness is providing it.

the rest is pretty standard stuff. eagle rods, supertech pistons 8:7:1 compression i think with a big overbore to make sure the block is ship shape. i look at it like this. you may say that i shouldnt bore the block out all the way because i wont be able to bore it out any more in the future if it needs to be cleaned up for any reason. well i say that if something happens where i need to get the block cleaned up again then picking up another junk yard block for $100 wont be an issue. ill be using all arp fasteners obviously, stock head unless the machine shop that is going to get my head and block cleaned up can do some P&P and a 3/5 angle for a little extra. the head will get a rebuild, new timing set, water pump, every gasket will get replaced.

unfortunately i will NOT be using the c-f-m oil pump since they dont have any more and i seriously doubt i will stumble across one in the next month. but if somebody somehow has a lead on one of those boogers then for goodness sake please tell me! i want it bad!

i already have a torsen LSD. really wish i would have spent the extra coin at the time and had a quaife installed instead but oh well. we will see if it holds, i plan on running slicks. [shameful]

and speaking of track stuff. anti-lag... anybody have anything to say about that? the whole deal where you stick the car in gear, clutch pedal to the floor, mash the gas pedal to the floor, make lots of racket, shoot flames out the tail pipe, build boost, and then take off like a bat out of hell. whats up with that? can we even do that with a zetec? if so then how? i dont even think i know for sure how its supposed to work.

im also open for suggestions on techniques for hooking up. i think there's going to be lots of spinning in my future but i would at least like to try and cut back on wheel hop if at all possible. what can i do for that?

and this car isnt going to be a super comfy really quick daily driver im afraid. im going to gut it. sorry but i have the SVT to be comfortable in. the only things staying in the interior will be the dash, maybe center console, racing seat for driver, stock seat on the passenger side only for when someone wants a ride along, the radio, 2 front door speakers, and i might even go wild and run a infinity minisub in the back. what? i like my tunes! and any interior braces i can find to stiffen the car up without going to a roll cage unless i can find one that i dont have to climb through to get into the car. ill probably even remove the roof liner.

dont know for sure what wheels and tires im going to run yet but the ugly boogers i have now just aint gonna happen. 17x7 wont help either. what i would REALLY like to do would be to find some 5 spoke SVT wheels to run in back and some 5 spoke 17/16x8 SVT replica wheels with a 40-45 et on radials up front. i found some 16x8 svt cobra replicas but the only offset available is 15 and 25 that i could find and i dont like that look. they need to be tucked. i refuse to have tires bugging out of the fenderwells looking like a [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)] unless im running slicks at the track. if anyone has a lead on anything like what im looking for please let me know. otherwise i might just run some team dynamics 17x8's or wider if i can get them to fit well if i cant find some SVT 5 spoke style wheels like i want. either way i guess i need to get a front wheel off and take measurements to see what is the absolute widest tire i can run and tuck with some mild fender rolling/flaring without rubbing the shock in the front. im going to need the traction!

as far as appearances go im going to put the car in black primer sometime before i take it down and i may leave it that way. i like flat black. it will either be flat black or factory red. im going to stick with the roush front bumper, cobra style hood, and roush back bumper. i dont know about the wings west side skirts, those might have to go but we will see. im also sticking with the roush top wing. i will never run a mid-wing again though. been there, done that, thought it looked stupid. i may change out headlights and tail lights at some point if i cant stand not fiddling with it in the coming months. it might make me nuts just being "done" with my little zx3. ive always been fiddling with it but after i hit my power goal i dont think there is much of anything else for me to do other than get rid of the MTX for a lentech ATX, get a much bigger turbo and shoot for tom's old drag car record. but that would pretty much turn it into a track only car at that point so i dont know if that will ever happen or not. we will just have to wait and see if guess. only time will tell. i will update as things progress, this should be pretty epic you guys! especially when this thing is done and you see pictures of my car before hand so you can see what i started with, how far it fell, and then how far it came thanks to a guy in alabama. and in case you are wondering i have been mysterious about this man's identity for a reason. i dont know if he is ready to step into the light just yet or not but im sure if he is he will pop in here with a few words after he spends the next month reading this book i just wrote.

and on that note let me finish this epic post with this... i really gotta stop getting on this forum after work in the mornings AFTER downing 2 shots of nyquil and sleeping pills. unfortunately if i didnt do it then i would never have time to get on here. wish me luck gentlemen, the race is on!







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got the head flange and wg today. to late for me to do any work on it. which sucks bc i work till sun and i'll be out of town next week. the wg is a beautiful piece though. it seems bigger than the tial 44 i had on my focus

i did this today though


im hoping the bottom brace will work with the next car i build a kit for since chase's lower core support is bent all to hell lol

Tim
 
#432 ·
i swear that car has not seen any air since about feb 23rd LOL

that was actually bent like that when i bought the car, i never had any issues due to it so i never repaired it. however if you think its a problem i can call some junk yards around your area and see if anybody has one you could snag and ill pay for it.

i swear im liable to fab up some sort of push bar that will protect that IC. i just KNOW im gonna drag that thing somewhere
 
#433 ·
you wont drag it if you dont drag the bumper lol. you could easily fab up a steel bar that goes across the bottom of the ic but thats not going to stop it from bending the ic with the weight of the car behind it slamming into a curb... unless its beefy as hell lol

the core support wont hurt any thing being bent. there are about 7 at Montgomery pullapart though lol. i put a straight edge across the core support to build the ic support with so it should be ok. you can see the bend in the bottom of the ic support where i tightened it up to the bent core support lol.
 
#434 ·
If I make one it will look like a pushbar from a police interceptor or big truck with the bumper off.

If you find yourself at the junk yard, would you mind picking up an aluminum valve cover? I have an aluminum 1 up here at my house but I still need to shave it down and powder coat it. and that plastic 1 that is on my car right now is a piece of trash. I doubt very much that you would even be able to find a gasket for it. Ebay special ftw lol
 
#436 ·
old dead thread (waste gate poll) popping up got me wondering. is this going to be open dump waste gate or dumping back into the exhaust? i personally wouldnt mind open wg at all.
 
#438 ·
The way I do my coolers after seeing a few hit by curbs
I use straps welded to the IC then to the 2 bolts that hold the facia support on , then I use 2 larg tie straps 48 inches and help hold the cooler , if you curb it hard it snaps the zip ties and bends the 2 straps , worst case you bend it back then reinstall xip ties , does little to no damage to the IC

Had one guy hit a car at about 35mph and killed the front of the car but the IC only had a few scratches , piping was in bad shape tho

Tom
 
#440 ·
roush kit is where i got the idea for the top straps. drilling the bumper is a pain. idk what kind of metal they used but it will eat up some bits and make you loose your mind lol. i considered the big zip ties like tom but the aluminum brace i used is pretty darn flexible, it will deff let go before it breaks the ic, but it still holds it still. being a 3.5" core there isnt really any room for rearward flex so even with tip ties it would be damaged by jamming into the condenser.

my wg's will be dumped

Tim
 
#442 ·
anymore updates? i still havent heard back from jim on that borg turbo. im gonna go ahead and shoot him another pm, i think he might have forgotten about me...
 
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#446 ·
im not rushing or anything. i just like the pictures [hihi]

and thanks for the reply back. pricing on the turbo is about the same whether i go with the borg or bulls. i like the specs of the bulls best though. i understand how the bullseye could tick off the borg warner crowd because they are using borg parts in their own housings and then putting their name on the product but i dont get how that makes them a crap turbo. how is a different housing made from the same material and quality engineering going to make it bad? just saying because i am leaning really hard toward the bulls still and i would need some pretty solid evidence to sway me away at this point. either way im going with an extended tip. im just completely sold on those. no batmowheel though. waaay over priced. pretty, but over priced.
 
#447 ·
Its not in the housings thats all the same casting. its in the manufacturing, IDK about the standard bulls 256 but in the bulls performance line up they lighten the shafts and the wheels to get more performance which sacrifices the longevity. just like precision pro mod turbos turns down the main shaft to reduce as much rotating mass as possible. but also result in the turbine wheel shooting out the exhaust housing and tearing everything up. its all in preference thats all, with your goals you prob wont have any problems with either cause you wont be turning it hard.
 
#449 ·
i have been out of town the past few days so i havent had any updates. i did get in the flanges and my pedal for my welder. i'll be starting on the manifold tues

doesnt matter to me whether you go with the bulls or bw. i would love to see either one used.

Tim
 
#450 ·
mmmm extended tip.....

sounds dirty

sleeping pills good but they make me say things i shouldnt. funny read on that link jim. im likely going with the bulls. night night
 
#454 ·
They've been back and forth in different issues forever... PTE rep in PR is a friend and he swears by them, seen some of the top guys in track, drift and drag in his store, some when with Garrett an returning to PTE and I bet it happens the other way around too. My opinion is there is a lot of factors besides the turbo to make power, both are good respectable companies with a lot of background, stick with what you have and make it spin.
 
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