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Old 02-23-2011, 07:06 PM   #31
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Well look at it this way,
Does more fuel make more cylinder pressure? No. More over time? Yes, but that depends on the ignition point and burn speed.
Does more timing make more cylinder pressure? Yes, to a point. The earlier you can fire the plugs the better. Remember the goal for MBT is to get maximum cylinder pressure in the 13-15* ATDC range. That will give the most TQ over the longest and safest rotational range.

If someone's tuning rich it could be they are adding too much timing (fuel is slowing the burn to prevent knock) ... or not enough and the burn is too short. You always have to remember that AFR is a byproduct of combustion. Therefore it can only indicate what could be a problem, never what is exactly the problem (if any).
I do not add a lot of timing if anything low timing , I do not add fuel to over come to much timing , I do safe to both sides , keep in mind once tuned I have no idea what happens with the car , whats changed , how its drove so I tend to go to the safe side , In my opinion a Boosted engine at 13.1 is insane , to gain 20HP from going almost 1 full AF ratio(10.6 to 11.5) is crazy , If you need 20HP more do 1.5 psi more but keep the engine safe

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Old 02-23-2011, 07:08 PM   #32
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Anytime we take Jared's car to the track it is NEVER richer than 12.5:1 and when he made 560whp it was over 13:1.

With his stock motor the car for a year with 93 octane at 12:1 afrs.
There is NO WAY I would tune ANY boosted car at 13.1 to me thats just insane , 13.1 AF is NA tuning , what do you take your NA tunes to on the Focus ?

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Wow yeah, I wasn't aware you guys tuned that lean. Looks like I'll be leaning my car out a bit more, heh...
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There is NO WAY I would tune ANY boosted car at 13.1 to me thats just insane , 13.1 AF is NA tuning , what do you take your NA tunes to on the Focus ?

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I agree its lean but it makes power and stays together. I typically tune customer cars to 11.5-12.0 depending on the situation.
I have actually ran my Acura @ 13.5:1 and 26degrees of timing at 540whp many many times...that's 111 octane of coarse.

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I wouldn't lean it out too much, or try to match someone else's AFR's W/O knowing their timing maps.

Realistically I think a better thread would be 'what are safe MBT's and the safe AFR's that accompany them'. A singular post of AFR's is only half the story and can cause more harm than good IMO. Also being the internet is a cruel bitch, you know some kid will bring his newly turbo'd car to some shop and tell them he wants it tuned for such and such, the shop will advise otherwise, an argument will ensue and soon after they'll be on the forum asking all sorts of questions and bitching about such and such. If they'd had more facts/advice prior to and better understood the why's none of this would ever happen, or far less than does now.
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First lets get the FACTS straight , I never tuned the set up you now have so you have no idea how my tune comparees to your now tuner , You had MANY issues with coil packs and other things that you your self admitted on here your now tuner found to be an issue , Isnt this the same tuner that you BASHED for blowing up your first engine ??????

I never begged anyone for anything , I ask everyone to post about my tuning some do and some dont , Your 1.5 years older then my last tune LOL

You can bash me all you like Jim we both know what you did and what the issues were

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Ya i had so many issues that it still made 385whp hahahaahahaha
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Jim, did Fernando ever tune the Comp turbo setup or any setup that Tom also tuned?
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Jim, did Fernando ever tune the Comp turbo setup or any setup that Tom also tuned?
No i left him and went with what and who makes power

but he will be tuning one of Toms kits and engines this weekend.
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I wouldn't lean it out too much, or try to match someone else's AFR's W/O knowing their timing maps.
Oh, don't worry, won't go overboard. I'm running WMI, though...so WMI + DI = lots of safety. My timing is not super aggressive, either.

Jim, just give it a rest and let's all have a friendly discussion about tuning
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Oh, don't worry, won't go overboard. I'm running WMI, though...so WMI + DI = lots of safety. My timing is not super aggressive, either.

Jim, just give it a rest and let's all have a friendly discussion about tuning
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