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Old 08-02-2006, 12:19 AM   #1
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Can't just build the car...

Modding...
Apparently I can't get enough of it, so I'm branching off just the car.
I just ordered my case, motherboard, and hard drive to start building my new PC. It should be here Thurs. next week, hopefully. I'm so excited.

Here's the plans, they will most likely change as I become more and more broke...
NZXT Apollo ATX tower, clicky herey
ASUS M2N32-SLI Premium Wireless mobo
AMD FX57 2.8 ghz with Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 pro
2 x 1024 Corsair XMS DDR2
ASUS nVidia 7600GT gpu (maybe?)
AeroCool TurbinePower 550W
WD 160GB HDD
ASUS DVD-RW/CD-RW combo drive
Saitek Eclipse Keyboard
Maybe a laser mouse, not right now
Some 17" LCD, probably ASUS

I already bought the speakers recently, JBL Creature 2.1, I love them.

I'm still debating the GPU, I'm thinking I need to suck it up and buy a cheaper non-ASUS 7900GT for like $50 more than the ASUS 7600, but I like the features that come with ASUS products. But this thing is looking to be a beast.

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Old 08-02-2006, 10:47 AM   #2
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It sounds like your gonna have a pretty good setup for the pc ;)

I just recently finished building my own also and i love every bit of it. Cost me about 2k...but to have what i want and only what i want and not all those useless programs and such that come from prebuilt pc's is just priceless.

My setup was

P4 3 ghz proc
asus mobo (can't remember model number)
2 512mb ddr2 corsair ram
80gig hd main
300 gig hd secondary
soundblaster platinum sound card
nvidia 7600gt gfx (might be wrong model number...gotta recheck)
mouse and keyboard i already had, wireless
creative 7.1 speakers
litescribe dvdr and a nec dvdr

and a 19inch lcd monitor from acer
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:56 PM   #3
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting everything in the mail. I got my old computer with so much crap on it I figured WTH, I'll build my own.
So I read about it and it will be a good learning experience to do this.
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Whoa, this wasn't general car chat...
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Sorry to be a jerk, and I don't know what you plan on using your PC for, but honestly-

1) AMD sucks for EVERYTHING (except gamming)
2) You don't need that big of a power supply for one drive
3) Your case looks cool and all, but by a temp. display, because the airflow sucks on that guy
4) Get a ViewSonic LCD
5) If you NEED a great graphics card just get a cheapo generic for now untill the new ATI/AMD one come out. I've never owned an nVidia, but ATI has yet to let me down (aside from going with AMD)
6) Whats the speed on your DVDRW? I have a 16x Sony which was supposidly the best when I bought it, but it's pritty slow.

Why are you going all Asus? They make great mobo's but I wouldn't go beyond that with them.

Also what made you go AMD? If it was the price, you will be sorry everytime you try to open a second program (and when you can't install OSX86, HAHA)

But if you are looking for a Gaming machine, you have a noisey but cool looking beast.

May I suggest getting an exhaust for your tower, my tower has bad air flow as well and I dropped about 5* off my case temp by putting one right under my GPU. but this is only temporary until I liquid cool, which is only temporary until I... dare I say it? PHASE CHANGE!!!
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o yeah I'm assuming that your mobo uses SATA, if so I hope you got a 10,000 RPM. I am running 4 SATAs at 7,200RPM and there isn't that much diffrence over the old IDEs until I'm transferring like 5GB at a time and it only takes like 15 minutes as oppsed to a full day.
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Old 08-03-2006, 09:09 AM   #7
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Sorry to be a jerk, and I don't know what you plan on using your PC for, but honestly-

1) AMD sucks for EVERYTHING (except gamming)
2) You don't need that big of a power supply for one drive
3) Your case looks cool and all, but by a temp. display, because the airflow sucks on that guy
4) Get a ViewSonic LCD
5) If you NEED a great graphics card just get a cheapo generic for now untill the new ATI/AMD one come out. I've never owned an nVidia, but ATI has yet to let me down (aside from going with AMD)
6) Whats the speed on your DVDRW? I have a 16x Sony which was supposidly the best when I bought it, but it's pritty slow.

Why are you going all Asus? They make great mobo's but I wouldn't go beyond that with them.

Also what made you go AMD? If it was the price, you will be sorry everytime you try to open a second program (and when you can't install OSX86, HAHA)

But if you are looking for a Gaming machine, you have a noisey but cool looking beast.

May I suggest getting an exhaust for your tower, my tower has bad air flow as well and I dropped about 5* off my case temp by putting one right under my GPU. but this is only temporary until I liquid cool, which is only temporary until I... dare I say it? PHASE CHANGE!!!
What.

AMD processors are perfectly good for anything short of high-end graphic processing (where Pentium 4s excel). However, I don't understand getting an FX-57 (or FX anything) when for almost half the money he can get an X2 4800+ that will at least equal its performance for single-core processes and outperform it on anything that can use multiple cores. I have no problems running lots of programs with my single core 3500+, so I don't know where you're getting this multitasking problem from. Benchmarks have consistantly shown the Athlon64 to run at least as well or better than an equivalent P4 while running significantly cooler. If anything, the Netburst architecture would make multitasking on a single core P4 slower since it requires emptying those loooong pipelines any time a new process comes along. The saved money from a different CPU will be enough to bump him up to a MUCH better video card. Both GPU companies are good, but nVidia has far better drivers. You'll see a far greater gaming performance increase going from a 7600 to a 7900 or X1700 to X1900 than you will going from a 4800+ to an FX-57. Alternately, there's the Core 2 Duo route, which is similarly priced and better performing.

A big power supply is fine, but who the hell is AeroCool? 550W MAY be a bit much, but with a big video card (or two, since you're getting a SLI board), you'll need it. But, get one from a GOOD company like Antec or Thermaltake. If your power supply goes, it can take everything with it, which would not be good.

SATA's a good idea, but not really necessary. Hard drive bottlenecks are in the read speed, not the transfer speed. A 10k IDE drive will outperform a 7200 one, as well as a 7200 SATA drive.

OS X runs fine on Athlons since they support SSE2. Otherwise the instruction sets are identical. But it's illegal, and you'll still have driver problems regardless of what you do. If you want a Mac, get a Mac. A Mini isn't terribly expensive, and it's not like you're going to be playing games in it. Otherwise just find a Linux distro to get the same sort of thing.

Viewsonic, Dell, and Apple make the best LCDs. Dell often has big coupons available. Get you a nice 20FPW.

My DVD-RW is 16x and I don't have a problem with it. But I rarely use it, since I can just stream stuff over the network if I want it elsewhere.
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Nice setup. Never used an Aerocool but they've gotten great reviews and the modular design is pretty nifty. Only thing I'd do different, really, is go with Seagate over WD. The minute difference in seek time is offset by the fact that they're damn indestructable. Gotta love a drive than can survive a 350g impact. I've been building computers for 15 years and worked for Dell tech support for a few years until they outsourced everything overseas - Seagate is the only brand of drive that I've never seen fail. We beat one of our old 10gb test drives on the concrete for months to see what it could take - the housing looked like it went through a car crusher but it never failed to boot.
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Endless mike, just look at the benchmarks. Since the begining of time Intel has been on top with running programs and AMD has been for games. It's a give and take, if you plan on multi-tasking with demanding programs Intel is your guy, if you want better gaming, AMD is your choice.

While I respect AMD for their low low prices and your bang for your buck, I still choose intel because benchmarks have proven time and time again that intel is just stronger when it comes to running programs.

Actually while we are on the arguement, I even think I saw a benchmark test in PC Gammer magazine (who are huge AMD fanatics) that actually said the one of the P4's out preformed it AMD equivillent in all areas including gamming. I was shocked to read this. I'll try and find it when I get home. the article is about 2 years old now, but it's still neck and neck
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"Gamer" and "gaming." There's only one m.

Here's a review of the Athlon 64 FX-60, which includes benchmarks of several Intel processors (including the Pentium Extreme 955) as well as a few other AMDs (including the FX-57 and X2 4800+). Note that it's a bit more recent than a two year old PC Gamer article.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2668

Other than SOME of the video encoding tests, AMDs comes out on top in every benchmark, including desktop benchmarks, with the 4800+ and FX-57 swapping positions now and then.

An Intel Pentium Extreme 955 costs over $1000. A 4800+ is around $350. So basically, one third the cost gets a processor that's at worst equal, all while running cooler.

Like I said, the Core 2 Duos are a good bit faster than AMDs, but aren't quite to retail yet. Building a computer now seems silly with the release of those coming so soon.

Personally, other than gaming I don't do much that requires much CPU power. Hell, when I rip a CD, I do it on my G4 iBook, which is much slower, but still fast enough for the little bit I do it. Unless you're encoding hours and hours of video to the point that every minute saved is a huge amount, there's really no reason to spend $1000 on a P4 EXXXTREEM. If I was at the point of building a whole new computer (which I won't be for several years, at least), I'd be waiting for Core 2 Duo to become available at retail, however. Fast, cool, and low power? Yes please.
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