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Old 01-26-2006, 08:21 AM   #1
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Auto News for the day:Hybrid Hybrid From Ford and Roadjet from Audi

HYBRID HYBRID FROM FORD:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=109055

A hybrid capable of E85 operation is in the works and seems to be close to completion..... I am impressed..
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ROADJET WILL BE PRODUCED
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=109052

hmm more Hatches/wagons for the US of A.. good times.

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Actually Igor, several Fords were available for many years as flex-fuel vehicles. If I'm not mistaken, all these had a badge showing a road that turned into a green leaf. Rangers and Tauruses mostly.. but there might've been others I haven't noticed. All these vehicles were able to operate on either E85 or gasoline. The biggest problem with alcohol as a gasoline substitute is that the flame burns with a blue color and can't be seen. However, I've always argued that natural gas has no odor in it's pure form, and NG suppliers must add things (Sulfur) to NG in order to make it smell like rotten eggs. This makes me wonder why something couldn't be added to 100% alcohol in order to make the flame colored- E85 is 85% alcohol and 15% gasoline.

The part in that article that says experiments are being performed to find other ways to make alcohol is hilarious. Our forefathers used hemp to make alcohol because it takes fewer processes... but that stuff is illegal here, even for industrial purposes like plastics, alcohol, fibers.. etc.
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Yeah those badges with the leaf mean they accept E85, they weren't E85-electric hybrids though, just E85-gasoline flexible. I've never seen a gas station that sells it yet, which is probably another part of the reason it's not more widespread. But of course, if you build it, they (stations) will come. Or os the theory goes.

I'm positive about the Rangers, I saw one... whatever your the first Escape came out. I asked the salesman about the badge and he said he wasn't sure but thought maybe some of the parts wee made from recycled materials. Ah well. I also saw I believe a Lincoln Town Car with the badge at this year's autoshow...
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yeah the E85 is not widespread enough.... but for areas that have it, it is cheaper, less emissions, renewable.. simply dandy. ..

I wish people would adopt it more, but for the people that have access to it this is good news... plus it shows Ford is thinking about easy ways to move the technology further.

I was happy to read it.

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Here's a site on E85, all sorts of info, including a MAP which clearly points out why I've never seen a fueling station... being I've lived in New England up until 6 months ago!

I've been on that site before, and I don't think there were that many Yellow states, so it may already be spreading. But I'm sure it probably started out in Corn country.

PS- the Audi hatch looks kinda neat too.
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All my friends with Tauruses have the leaf on them. We never knew what it meant.
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You've only got one public facility, in San Diego.
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There's a station that sells E85 in Nashville on Main St, north side of the river, just before the bridge to downtown. At one time it was a lot cheaper than gasoline, but now is just about 30 less.
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E85 is false economy. It sounds good on paper, but it takes energy to make it. I think the end result may be worse than using straight gasoline.. after all the engery costs of making it.
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^^^^^

you say as if the difference between 2.44 and 2.14 a gallon was not important..

plus I like that it is renewable source

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