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Old 04-30-2015, 03:23 PM   #1
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Looking to buy SVT or ST...why are these things so cheap?

I currently have an BMW E46 ZHP and looking for something smaller/cheaper for DD duties instead of my BMW that handles track duty, too.

I've been looking at a wide range of cars from MX5s, GTIs, etc but the Focus SVT and ST seem to be selling for 1/2 of the price of other similar cars when accounting for mileage/condition.

I know the timing belt is important, but other than that, is there something expensive about these cars? Can you get 200-300k out of them if maintained properly?

As I come from the BMW world, the top of the line 3 series, M3, has every single part more expensive than the normal 3 series. Are the SVTs/STs like that?

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The zetec/ dtech's maintained you should get 200k + out of if not more. There are a few things you'd want to get for a svt= imrc, i/m hose's & connectors, bullet t-stat housing, t/b & tune. For the '05-'07 st, not really a lot needed, add a cai/sri & do a bsd plug. How far w/ mods would you go w/?
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timing belt, clutch, suspension, brakes, check engine compression, all stuff I like to look for when buying car, and Yes SVT parts to run a little expensive
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the 05-07 ST runs on a timing chain. the 2.3l puts down a decent amount of grunt. If you do what Bruce said, intake/exhuast(header is fun too) and balance shaft delete it will have some decent pep.

SVT's are great too if taken care of, they seem to be a little higher maintenance though. The big decision between the two is if you care about hatch vs sedan. Both are manual only and ride on a pretty similar suspension and have front/rear disc brakes (Svt's being slightly larger.) The ST can have the larger SVT front calipers/rotors bolted straight on, so upgrade is easy.

Some bolt on mods and perhaps a tighter suspension, you'll have a really fun dd
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Two quite different cars, even though performance in a straight line is close (SVT has better handling setup stock).

I'd say the SVT is more like the M3 for it's special pieces, while the ST really doesn't have much unique - the ones with the street appearance setup do have a special nose that's hard to find, almost as bad as the SVT's nose (bumper) which is in high demand & hard to find in good condition.

ST carried over the 2.3 duratec from the prev. 2 yrs., when the other models all got the new 2.0 duratec. Setting it up with an exhaust that didn't include the rear resonator & making it only in non-CA trim were the engine performance differences. Different wheels, rear disc brakes (avail. on others) and that appearance package were the primary differences from std. models.
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SVT's are great too if taken care of, they seem to be a little higher maintenance though.

Can you elaborate on that a bit more? Or point me to find more info.
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Say like the dual runner control on a svt is electronic vs vacuum on the 23 d-tech. The dtech's are 40lbs lighter having alloy blocks & have direct mount of the assessories, use a chain in place of a belt. One piece i/m for a 23 vs a 2 piece i/m for a svt. The svt's have forged rods & pistons vs cast pistons & fractured rods of the dtech. To add a little bit of reliabiblity to the svt= add a alloy t-stat, change the t/ belt, add a t/b & tune. A few spare parts to collect is a imrc, i/m connectors. If you have the ambission to tear into the imrc you can repair it, + the cable that runs it. On the 23 dtech ford switched to a vacuum operated imtv setup. Chain driven cams, oil pump, cop's. Both motors & cars are are great. To me the svt has a tad bit more charictor to it. Don't forget about the '03-'04 23 powered hatches either. It all boils down to how much work you want to do. Cosworth took a zetec & redid the motor for the svt. Cosworth also has speed parts for the 23 dtech which go great in Caterham's. Ford, Cosworth & Lotus Twin Cam Performance Engine Tuning Parts Specialist is a great source to look at as is http://Centralfloridamotorsports.com
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Many factors give them that reputation, from the majority having been used hard with little maint. to more sensitivity to anything that isn't working right. Highly tuned from the factory, so anything not right has a larger effect.

Cam belt replacement before scheduled mileage is very important, as if it breaks/skips time/strips cogs there are usually bent valves as a result. Letting it go to 100k when it's 10 yrs old didn't work out for everyone (age over mileage) so the typical recommendation now is 80k (from this Forum).

Similar for maint. like spark plugs/wires/coil pack if it goes bad - you don't want to push it if not working properly. Using throttle to clear the intake before backing off to let it start is another recommendation. If it isn't in perfect tune to start immediately fuel can puddle & a backfire can pop the manifold out of it's rubber couplers, or even break the manifold.

There's a electrically controlled intake manifold runner setup, unique to the SVT, that may need repair as replacements are hard to come by.

Intake cam is electro-hydraulic controlled, and the control solenoid is getting pricey/hard to find. Adjustable cam gears are an option to remove that function & still perform well so that isn't a major worry going forward.

Aftermarket "tune" from Tom (FocusPower) improves performance & cures some of the stumbles left in the factory programming, a very good mod. for any SVT.

This isn't all inclusive, but it covers the major points. LOTS of SVT info. avail. here.
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Looking to buy SVT or ST...why are these things so cheap?

Thanks for the help guys. Honestly, the SVT sounds more finicky than my BMW. I guess I'll look for a "regular" focus. If you guys aren't familiar with the e46 zhp, it's pretty similar to the SVT in that it's "tuned" from the factory with more power/better suspension over the normal 330 sport. So I really don't need two finicky fun cars.
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