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Old 11-22-2013, 11:21 AM   #21
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Holy off topic completely not needed wanna be "informative" post...

I think most people on hear understand the whole "eco-boost" movement.
We're talking about ecoboost engines and someone said they didn't think they actually got better fuel economy? It's just discussion. That's how internet forums work.
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Yes, I'm talking about the mazdaspeed3 engine. Intake in the front, manifold in the rear duratech engine.
About the only thing they share is the block, (which is still slightly different, Mazda added oil squirters and other things to the 2.3 block for the mazdaspeed.) Ford also sold it's stake in Mazda 5 years ago.
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:26 AM   #23
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We're talking about ecoboost engines and someone said they didn't think they actually got better fuel economy? It's just discussion. That's how internet forums work.
Then at the very lease quote the post you are replying too... Since the thread has gone a different direction since then. That being said, all you stated was the equivalent of press release junk. You didn't add anything to the debate, you simply state what should be common knowledge for anyone in this conversation.

Also FYI look at my post count vs. yours. I think I get how the internet works...
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Then at the very lease quote the post you are replying too... Since the thread has gone a different direction since then. That being said, all you stated was the equivalent of press release junk. You didn't add anything to the debate, you simply state what should be common knowledge for anyone in this conversation.

Also FYI look at my post count vs. yours. I think I get how the internet works...
My apologies; thought I had quoted them- guess I didn't!

Sorry I have apparently upset you in some way! Didn't mean to! Just meant to have some discussion. Congrats on your post count.
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So, aside from the fact that the MKC shares the 2.3L with the Mustang (I'm sure the Mustang will get more power btw, the Ecoboost engines always get specifically tuned to the car/truck they're going into), does anyone want to talk about the MKC itself?

I think it's the best looking vehicle that Lincoln makes. And it's going to be the model that will sink Lincoln or bring it back from the edge depending on its sales. I realize that it's just a tarted up Escape, just like the MKZ is a tarted up Fusion, which might be a problem since the Fusion and Escape are both great vehicles and it's hard to justify spending the extra dough on the Lincoln counterpart. But the small luxury crossover market seems to be more about style than substance; I see tons of Range Rover Evoques around here just because they make a statement.

It's an interesting time for Lincoln and it's future really hinges on the MKC in my opinion. And that Mustang-based 4-door they were rumored to be considering.
Also, anyone know when the MKC will be released? Will it really be available before the Mustang, so the press can at least get some idea of the 2.3's characteristics?
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So, aside from the fact that the MKC shares the 2.3L with the Mustang (I'm sure the Mustang will get more power btw, the Ecoboost engines always get specifically tuned to the car/truck they're going into), does anyone want to talk about the MKC itself?

I think it's the best looking vehicle that Lincoln makes. And it's going to be the model that will sink Lincoln or bring it back from the edge depending on its sales. I realize that it's just a tarted up Escape, just like the MKZ is a tarted up Fusion, which might be a problem since the Fusion and Escape are both great vehicles and it's hard to justify spending the extra dough on the Lincoln counterpart. But the small luxury crossover market seems to be more about style than substance; I see tons of Range Rover Evoques around here just because they make a statement.

It's an interesting time for Lincoln and it's future really hinges on the MKC in my opinion. And that Mustang-based 4-door they were rumored to be considering.
Also, anyone know when the MKC will be released? Will it really be available before the Mustang, so the press can at least get some idea of the 2.3's characteristics?
It's not just a tarted up Escape, the chassis hard points are different and they widened the track relative to the Escape in order to convey the intended market targets.
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It's not just a tarted up Escape, the chassis hard points are different and they widened the track relative to the Escape in order to convey the intended market targets.
Interesting! Wouldn't have guessed that.

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Estimated Arrival and Price: The MKC should debut before the end of the year [2013] before going on sale in early 2014. Considering that the model will be positioned beneath the Ford Edge–based MKX, which starts at $40,470, figure on pricing to open around the low- to mid-$30,000 range.
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Interesting! Wouldn't have guessed that.

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There's a lot going on beneath the MKC's sculpted haunches to make the look possible. While the MKC rides on the ubiquitous Ford C1 platform, its track has been widened almost an inch compared to that Blue Oval-wearing Small Crossover That Shall Not Be Named.
https://www.autoweek.com/article/201...NEWS/131119942
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It's still just a fancy escape. It's not That different. That's the biggest issue with all Lincolns, and why they are losing to Cadillac. Cadillacs are not just fancier Chevys.
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About the only thing they share is the block, (which is still slightly different, Mazda added oil squirters and other things to the 2.3 block for the mazdaspeed.) Ford also sold it's stake in Mazda 5 years ago.





its still basically a 2.3 duratec you find in the focus everything down to the dipstick has FOMOCO stamp on it.



The point being, no body has done the swap, no body will do the ecoboost swap. Those who have the know how and the bank roll would rather either just do a v8 swap, or just buy the car the engine comes in.



Until the 2013 mazda6 and the 2014 Mazda 3 they still used the same engines.
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