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Old 01-21-2012, 01:41 PM   #1
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I've been really hard core into computer tuning factory and after market..

What does ford use nower days to diagnose problems with anything over 2011, I would imagine they had to come up with a whole new set of rules for the 2012 lineup. I know alot about the gm tech II, actually I'm probabaly decieiving myself LOL but I know enough. :)


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Fords proprietary diagnostic software is called IDS, it runs on Windows laptops which is kind of nice because of the screen size. I don't remember what the acronym means but the software is not really as easy to use as a high end generic scan tool, the program feels like it was designed about a decade ago and not changed much since then. There are a ton of buttons with obscure images, and you have to hit the button to know what it does. I'm sure you can do more with IDS than any other diagnostic tool (on a Ford), but it would take a fair bit of time to really get to know it. I used a brand new touch screen Snap On scan tool the other day and it was super fast navigating through it, which can be frustratingly slow with older stuff. I generally think Snap On is overpriced and overhyped, but as far as I know they make the best diagnostic tools on the market.
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New cars are still CAN based. Just like all the other Duratec's.
http://esd.cs.ucr.edu/webres/can20.pdf
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Old 01-21-2012, 01:52 PM   #4
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Wow just.wow you know whats amazing is that I can pick up a modis and just start playing with it and know what almost every function does LOL. I've used alot of predators and superchips before.
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Old 01-21-2012, 01:53 PM   #5
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anything 2008 and up is can bus right?
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Old 01-21-2012, 01:55 PM   #6
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Oh and snap on is considered a generic scan tool LOL!? I would have guess like actron and what not are more considered generic. If theres one thing I love is tuning and using scan tools. We are generation z
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I guess generic isn't the right word, I only meant it's not manufacturer specific. You mentioned the GM Tech 2, I'm not crazy about that tool. It works well and is pretty in depth, but the display absolutely sucks. It's that blue screen and you have to hold it in a certain position for the text to be legible. The ones I've used were probably a few years old and maybe they've improved that, I don't know.

I think any new scan tool is going to have pretty advanced functions, but nothing I've seen is more user friendly or informative than the Snap On Modus you mentioned. Then again the one I mentioned before, which I think is called Modus Ultra, is like $4,000.
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theres an ultra now? LOL I know that you cant reprogram BCMS and what not with a snapon
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Ford uses a VCM as the hardware that links the laptop to the diagnostic connector. The software on the laptop is IDS as already mentioned. Later this year they are coming out with an updated VCM and a change in how they provide IDS to the user. It ends up being that this new setup will be cheaper to purchase initially, but will cost more in the end as the licensing fees each year will cost more.

From what I hear, the new setup will be in the 1400-1600 dollar range to purchase, plus the cost of the laptop. I am contemplating purchasing one myself to save on downtime waiting for the shops laptops to become available. This is for diagnostics though....I highly doubt you'll have access to do a bunch of tuning, etc.
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:27 PM   #10
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I would imagine that you cant tune at all with your shop laptops only diagnose right? LOL
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