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Old 10-15-2011, 10:48 AM   #1
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Why are almost all the ads for this car misleading??

Hello, I'm new to this forum and I'm looking to buy a used Ford Focus for my daughter. The problem so far is that almost every dealership I go to online advertises their Focuses with ABS when they don't really have it. This, to me, qualifies as false and misleading advertising as they try to lure you in with specific features then tell it really isn't a necessary one. Furthermore, they refuse to reduce their asking price because that feature really isn't included. Do you know how much it costs to put ABS on from a dealer? We're talking about 1k at least! Five online dealers have done this so far. How do they get away with this? I have already tried to check the VINs on possible purchases, but for some reason, Ford always says that it is "Non-ABS/4-Wheel ABS". Well which is it? It should tell you yes or no. Very frustrated here.



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Please understand it's not intentional misleading advertising or switch and bait. The vast majority of the manufacturers use online services to publish vehicle data for their window stickers, AutoTrader ads, eBay listings, etc. Unfortunately the services used to perform this work isn't always accurate. I've seen cars listed with cruise control when in fact it's not on the vehicle. The VIN provided to these services covers a broad range of models and applications, and all too often the computer spits out everything that could be standard and/or optional on that specific model.

I would venture a guess they also have a disclaimer on their ad regarding such information. It sounds as if you're doing your homework and due diligence and that's good.

It's not a perfect system and I'm not trying to make excuses for the big bad dealer; I'm just letting you know how this happens.
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Ok, I understand it's not perfect but then why not reduce the price accordingly. Because if you ask them why a car is priced this high, they'll tell you it's because the car has this and this on it. But it doesn't have that!! Half the time, the salesman doesn't even know what it has. And why doesn't Ford's VIN say exactly whether it has it or not? Instead it reports it either is Non-ABS (which I take it to mean NO ABS) or 4-wheel ABS (which sounds like it DOES have ABS). I mean, which is it? Why not list as YES or NO?

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Ok, I understand it's not perfect but then why not reduce the price accordingly. Because if you ask them why a car is priced this high, they'll tell you it's because the car has this and this on it. But it doesn't have that!! Half the time, the salesman doesn't even know what it has. And why doesn't Ford's VIN say exactly whether it has it or not? Instead it reports it either is Non-ABS (which I take it to mean NO ABS) or 4-wheel ABS (which sounds like it DOES have ABS). I mean, which is it? Why not list as YES or NO?


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anywhere from 2001 to 2005. Preferably the 2005 because of the Duratec engine.

Btw, I've already contacted Auto Trader.com to complain about their practice of providing dealers with false information.
Not that it'll do any good, but it makes me feel better.
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anywhere from 2001 to 2005. Preferably the 2005 because of the Duratec engine.

Btw, I've already contacted Auto Trader.com to complain about their practice of providing dealers with false information.
Not that it'll do any good, but it makes me feel better.


Posted via FF Mobile Um ok, anyway, many earlier foci 00-04 did not have abs unless they had rear discs. So no rear discs...no abs.
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Old 10-16-2011, 07:57 AM   #7
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Was it an option during those early years? If so, then it could conceivably have ABS. So dealers should know what trim package a car has if they have their own mechanics, but even if they don't and they rely on Autotrader to power their web, then they should still take responsibility for what they assign a price to based on that information. Whether the car was made during a year that ABS was only optional or standard is irrelevant at this point.
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Was it an option during those early years? If so, then it could conceivably have ABS. So dealers should know what trim package a car has if they have their own mechanics, but even if they don't and they rely on Autotrader to power their web, then they should still take responsibility for what they assign a price to based on that information. Whether the car was made during a year that ABS was only optional or standard is irrelevant at this point.
Where does the dealer's responsiblity end and your's begin as the consumer? 10 minutes of your time visiting www.edmunds.com will tell you exactly what braking system was standard on any Focus model you input.

To my knowledge VINS don't have encoding specifically for ABS, and I think that is where a lot of the confusion comes from from services such as AutoTrader or those provided by manufacturers to dealers for window stickers, etc.

I recently sold my Mother's car as she's not driving anymore. I paid a few bucks for an online window sticker service. I entered the VIN to her vehicle and some equipment that was on the vehicle didn't show up on the sticker, and some equipment that wasn't on the vehicle did show up. In the real world, something like ABS isn't going to have a $1000 impact on the asking/selling price of a vehicle.

Not trying to be a jerk, but do your due diligence as a consumer and you'll be a lot better off.
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look for an advanc trac model. rear discs and abs
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I can also find the relay and fuse locations information for ABS, then you can look inside the under hood fuse box to see if there is a fuse in the ABS slot. That will tell you immediately. Owner's manuals are available online for download in PDF format, so you can check for yourself after about 15 mins of research.

In the tech chat forum we have a VIN break down program from Ford:
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That might not be the same one that the dealers use. I would think, since most people are lazy, that dealers would use one source, such as Edmunds, for all vehicles.
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