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Old 08-10-2011, 11:40 AM   #1
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Production Subaru XV Crossover Teased in Advance of 2011 Frankfurt Auto Show

Subaru will reveal the production version of the XV small crossover concept at the 2011 Frankfurt auto show in September. In the meantime, however, the automaker released the teaser sketch shown above, which details the look of the XV’s headlamps and wheels. Unsurprisingly, those bits look similar to the XV concept’s. The headlights appear to be identical to 2012 Impreza units, appearing in the teaser with less fanciful interior elements than on the show car. And we like the wheels, which look a lot like the attractive black 17-inch rollers available on the new Ford Focus.

The XV concept seemed to preview the next Outback Sport—a niche Impreza trim that features a slightly raised suspension and a two-tone exterior color scheme—because of the many styling elements it borrowed from the upcoming 2012 Impreza hatch. But our current thinking has the XV existing as a standalone model situated between the Impreza and the Forester in Subaru’s lineup; one hint is that the car’s ride height is taller than that of previous Outback Sports. Subaru promises that the rest of the XV should remain as true to the concept as what we see in the teaser, saying that it “combin[es] the latest distinctive Subaru elements with the commanding silhouette expected of a crossover.” The XV will go on sale in the U.K. in early 2012; if it comes here, it’s probably safe to add several months to that timetable.



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If it makes decent power, has a manual trans, I'd be down for sure.
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Is it me or does this look a little like the 2012 FF HB?
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I think it looks like a Dodge Caliber.
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Posted via FF Mobile Im anxiously awaiting for this. The Outback has gotten too big and the Forester has gotten too soft looking. I wouldnt mind having a smallish subaru with good ground clearance for the NY winters.
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IMO Subaru took a huge step backwards with the 2012 Impreza redesign. Despite fuel economy gains and interior space improvements, performance got a major downgrade. And although I understand that the WRX is reserved for performance models, I'm going to miss the fact that you can't pick up a fun base model anymore. Say goodbye to those days.

For starters the engine now puts out 148 horsepower at a sky high 6200 rpm and a meh 145 pound-feet of torque. Despite shedding some weight it still tips the scales at 2911 lbs. Which is awesome for an AWD vehicle! Except... AWD powertrains have additional power loss at the wheels. That anemic 2.0L NA engine (which would be passable for lightweight FWD production cars) isn't going to cut it. Ironically the new 2.0L engine is also heavier than the outgoing 2.5L engine, which is sure to give more understeer along with that increased wheelbase. They would've been better off with simply introducing direct injection to the 2.5L engine and improving the interior styling/materials a bit.

And don't even get me started on the terrible styling of this thing. From the stupid mini windows along the A-pillars to the dorky y-shaped side mirrors and the comically oversized wheel arches with tiny wheels (production models, not concept) tucked under... I... I just can't go on with the description without throwing up in my mouth.

Seriously, why does Subaru keep doing this? These things aren't even Subarus anymore. They've effectively created a brand new Suzuki SX4. It's so depressing how quickly they've fallen from having some of the coolest cars to one of the most boring ones. I guess they've decided to shift their demographic exclusively towards middle-aged women.

I don't know if this XV model will get a better engine than the base Imprezas. To be honest I don't think I care. The brand just doesn't offer the level of excitement it used to anymore. You know, I still drool when I see a 2000-2007 gen WRX on the road today. And I hope that one day Subaru can bring that feeling back once they hire a new design/engineering team which can understand that.
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With the boxer diesel=WIN!
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IMO Subaru took a huge step backwards with the 2012 Impreza redesign. Despite fuel economy gains and interior space improvements, performance got a major downgrade. And although I understand that the WRX is reserved for performance models, I'm going to miss the fact that you can't pick up a fun base model anymore. Say goodbye to those days.

For starters the engine now puts out 148 horsepower at a sky high 6200 rpm and a meh 145 pound-feet of torque. Despite shedding some weight it still tips the scales at 2911 lbs. Which is awesome for an AWD vehicle! Except... AWD powertrains have additional power loss at the wheels. That anemic 2.0L NA engine (which would be passable for lightweight FWD production cars) isn't going to cut it. Ironically the new 2.0L engine is also heavier than the outgoing 2.5L engine, which is sure to give more understeer along with that increased wheelbase. They would've been better off with simply introducing direct injection to the 2.5L engine and improving the interior styling/materials a bit.

And don't even get me started on the terrible styling of this thing. From the stupid mini windows along the A-pillars to the dorky y-shaped side mirrors and the comically oversized wheel arches with tiny wheels (production models, not concept) tucked under... I... I just can't go on with the description without throwing up in my mouth.

Seriously, why does Subaru keep doing this? These things aren't even Subarus anymore. They've effectively created a brand new Suzuki SX4. It's so depressing how quickly they've fallen from having some of the coolest cars to one of the most boring ones. I guess they've decided to shift their demographic exclusively towards middle-aged women.

I don't know if this XV model will get a better engine than the base Imprezas. To be honest I don't think I care. The brand just doesn't offer the level of excitement it used to anymore. You know, I still drool when I see a 2000-2007 gen WRX on the road today. And I hope that one day Subaru can bring that feeling back once they hire a new design/engineering team which can understand that.
While I won't disagree with you on their "styling" of late, Subaru is giving the consumer what they've begging for years for - better fuel efficiency. I have not had a chance to drive a 2012 yet, but they did have some pre-production vehicles at the national dealer meeting in Chicago last week, and one of our owners got a bit of seat time in one. It's far better finished inside, quite a bit roomier (especially in the back seat) and his words were "it looks better in the flesh than in the photos that have been shared by Subaru."

Fuel economy is going to be 30% greater than the outgoing 2011 model, yet Subaru's own testing shows 0-60 times, etc. to be on par or slightly better than the current model, not that specs like that are too important to many buyers. Might be to you or me, but for many consumers shopping an Impreza vs an Elantra vs a Focus, etc. they're honestly not looking at performance specs like you or I would.

The other thing with the 2.0L is lower upkeep and maintenance costs, as compared to the outgoing SOHC 2.5L. It's going to be another thing Subaru pushes when promoting the vehicle.

Subaru's goal is to double Impreza sales with the new model and they have the production capacity to do that. We're pretty excited about it and have a boatload of customers who have taken advantage of a clever Lease Extension Program offered by Subaru/Chase, who are waiting for the 2012 Impreza.

The SV we're told, is going to be the replacement for the Outback Sport. Supposedly will have more ground clearance, be a bit beefier (more so than what the OB Sport offers now), and will have quite a bit more model separation from the normal Impreza 5 door that'll be offered. We have not heard if it's going to have increased HP/TQ specs, however.

Unfortunately bland can sell; the 2010 redesign of the Legacy proved that. It's outsold the previous (and much better looking imo) generation vehicle, with little or no incentives, unlike the the 2005-2009 model.

Even with the lack of inventory in the US due to the earthquake, July was the best July ever for Legacy and Outback sales. Bland and boring does sell..lol



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I'd love to see that too, but we're told we'll never see it here in the US. Too costly to get it certified for 50 state sale. We're being told we'll see some form of a Hybrid, potentially by 2013, but don't hold your breath for the diesel.
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Yeah, I also understand all that. I know most consumers don't care about performance or precision handling. I guess with this economy fewer and fewer companies can afford to have niche markets anymore. It's all about money and catering to the largest demographics.

It's just depressing because Subaru in the past was all about performance/handling taking priority over everything else. Subaru was never about interior fit/finish or fuel economy. In fact people still buy Imprezas despite gas prices skyrocketing. For the longest time they've gone against the grain and yet they've still managed to remain profitable in the toughest times.

The 2012 redesign to me is a sign that they're merging in with the Honda/Toyota crowd of trying to make the general population happy. They're essentially taking the one thing that made them Subarus to begin with and throwing that completely out the window. It's slowly turning into another "me too" company of mediocrity.

I'm hoping the upcoming Toyobaru RWD coupe will at least spark some new interest into the brand. Or perhaps they can be unique by introducing an AWD B-segment car. VW made a neat compact car that's similar to the pictured XV above, called a CrossPolo. It might not be super fast either but at least it has some style. As usual it won't be offered here in America.
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Agreed, it's all about economics of scale, market share growth, etc. There's not a mainstream manufacturer today who can only rely on a few niche vehicles and expect to grow.

VW has done the same thing with the new Jetta. Real downgrade in my opinion, but it's outselling the previous Jetta handily in almost all markets across the US. Other than the new GLI coming out, I don't think I'd touch a new Jetta. To an extent, they've done the same thing with the new Passat, but I bet it sells well.

Regarding the coupe, it's going to be interesting having a RWD vehicle, after 16+ years of telling our customers "AWD is all we do." The US dealer body has been very vocal to SOA and Fuji about maintaining our AWD status with this vehicle, but it's clear that's not going to happen. I'm very curious how it's going to be marketed/pitched to the consumer.

I think it will be fine, it's definitely a niche vehicle without high sales expectations. I'd prefer to see our version to be AWD, but either way I think it's going to sell well, and hopefully it will bring in people to the showroom who may have never considered Subaru before.
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