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Old 03-05-2011, 02:41 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Ford going produce petrol ecoboost with PSA - not for US people?

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/04/23...for-productio/
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10804251...petrol-engines

i don't like it. Ford and PSA together makes 1.6 and 2.0 diesel engines and they aren't so good, lot's of failures!
well, nobody is saying 1 L Ecoboost and PSA 1 L turbo is same engine but I think they could be.


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Okay... what is PSA? Only abbreviation that I know of is Public Service Announcement.
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Okay... what is PSA? Only abbreviation that I know of is Public Service Announcement.
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i don't think thats the case, i haven't heard of ford developing through them.
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In regards to the 1.0l, think thats small enough. And the three cylinder would be fine in something like a Ka, but not anything bigger, at least I couldnt see myself owning a three cyl focus or even a fiesta, even if it was turbo.
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We're probably looking at power output that is similar to the 1.4L turbo engine found on the Chevy Cruze. Keep in mind that Chevy doesn't use direct injection on the Cruze, so they could still squeeze a little more power and fuel economy out of it. However I think despite having a single turbocharger it still sounds pretty weak on paper.

Only way I'll put up with tiny displacement engine is if it involves twin-charging. VW's 1.4L TSI can deliver up to 178 hp. Power delivery is seamless with the help of a supercharger (low end) and turbocharger (high end). Not surprisingly it's not offered here in the US. We get a 2.5L NA engine that has nearly identical power at the crank, which gives us some perspective on how much gas is wasted without the help of forced induction.

If/when electric cars can offer a better maximum range (at least 200 miles) and doesn't require 2 hours to recharge, I seriously wouldn't mind owning one. The amount of torque you get from an electric car is phenomenal. I think the Nissan Leaf is a good stepping stone for that, but the technology still has a long way to go before it'll replace regular combustion engine cars. We live in a BIG country and we need cars that can give us some actual range. The European demographic doesn't have that hurdle.
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We're probably looking at power output that is similar to the 1.4L turbo engine found on the Chevy Cruze. Keep in mind that Chevy doesn't use direct injection on the Cruze, so they could still squeeze a little more power and fuel economy out of it. However I think despite having a single turbocharger it still sounds pretty weak on paper.

Only way I'll put up with tiny displacement engine is if it involves twin-charging. VW's 1.4L TSI can deliver up to 178 hp. Power delivery is seamless with the help of a supercharger (low end) and turbocharger (high end). Not surprisingly it's not offered here in the US. We get a 2.5L NA engine that has nearly identical power at the crank, which gives us some perspective on how much gas is wasted without the help of forced induction.

If/when electric cars can offer a better maximum range (at least 200 miles) and doesn't require 2 hours to recharge, I seriously wouldn't mind owning one. The amount of torque you get from an electric car is phenomenal. I think the Nissan Leaf is a good stepping stone for that, but the technology still has a long way to go before it'll replace regular combustion engine cars. We live in a BIG country and we need cars that can give us some actual range. The European demographic doesn't have that hurdle.


Posted via FF Mobile My problem with a small engine is that itll sound so whimpy. I need a great sound coming from the engine and the exhaust. The best is from a v8, but thats not always ideal. 4cyl is ok, but once you start getting down to engines the size of a lawn mowers...blah. And id rather have no sound then a weak
one. Give me an electric car, ill make it sound like a podracer or tie fighter when I pass by in it lol.
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Three cylinders can sound good.
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What about motorcycles? I don't think more cylinders or higher displacement always means better sound. It helps a lot, but I don't think it's always necessary. Actually one of the best sounding cars I've ever owned was my Focus with the MagnaFlow catback. Example:

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I personally think cars with V10 and V12 engines sound kind of boring. I know typical gearheads drool over monstrous engines like that, but there's a certain point where the loudness of all the cylinders working together just mushes together into one big headache. Example:

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And lastly one of my favorite exhaust notes of all time is the New Edge GT with Flowmaster catback...

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straight six from bmw m3 csl has the best sound IMO.
anyway,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_S1000RR, motorbike engines are for motorbikes and that's it.
1 L 3 cylinder will be in focus (of course in EU).
it's not official that Ford and PSA will make them together but they make diesels together for 10 years.
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