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Old 09-17-2009, 08:49 PM   #1
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Fords brilliant engineering and design rant

I just want everyone to know whta a great job ford did on designing the Focus svt.

first whoever decided to put the rear o2 sensor 1/4" away from the axle deserves a pat on the back...

second, whoever designed the Valve cover and cam gear cover and vct solenoid deserves a raise...


Im pissed the F off.!!!!

i have a leaky VCG so i take it off and etc notcied it is cracked all the way through at one part....

first words are !!!
so i had some hard drying silicone gasket maker stuff. throw some of that on and it seems to hold ok, so i pu tthe VCG in the valve cover (which doesnt fit correctly because its too large...

and i get it on and everything is dandy and chipper.
then i notice my VCT solenoid so i go to put it in.. you can put it in with the Valve cover on...
Why? Idk. absolutely stupid.
so i take it back out but in the process the Cam gear cover catches the VC and so i end up popping the VCG out of the VC.
damnit by now my gasket maker is starting to turn solid... FAIL

so i pop the VCT solenoid in and no biggy and set everything back to normal.
try to get it on.
i want you to realize how awkward and how beautiful this design is.
Camgear cover in the way. VCT solenoid in the way. engine hook at the back left by cam gear.
how many things can you get snagged up on?

three is the answer. and so trying to get it on and everything is in the way i only have 2 hands
1 holding the valve cover the other trying to pull the cam gear cover away so i can squeeze it in there.

in the process i hear SNAP.
i got WTF was that look and my G VCT SOLENOID BROKE IN HALF!!!

so i just want to thank you ford for brilliantly designing this engine bay and arranging everything the way you did.

Sooooo now i have to buy a new VC gasket...
and i have to overnight a VCT solenoid!!!


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Old 09-17-2009, 08:53 PM   #2
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makes you wish nothing else breaks eh lol
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Old 09-17-2009, 08:54 PM   #3
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heh......well you're not the only one with ford valve cover issues

just the other day, on my SPI, I was re-setting the valve cover gasket, but just couldn't get it into place without moving the damn thing (because of the lip on the cam gear cover in the way) THEN I finished and was tightening up my last bolt on the Escort VC and SNAP (yeah it was a bit more pressure, but the stupid thing was still turning easily) that stupid little sleeve on the bolt fell into the head and I had to get a magnet and fish around till I found it. then I had to drill the damn bolt out of the threaded hole cause it snapped off right there. FAIL.

edit: OH yeah did I mention what a real PITA the oil filter is to get to? it's about damn near possible to get one of the standard tools on it, but one of those cool little thingies that has like the three arms and when you go counter clockwise, they all close in towards the center (to attach to the filter). Yeah if you have one of those, and a nice long 3/8" bar with a U joint at the end that attaches to the filter grabber.......it WORKS BEAUTIFULLY
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Old 09-17-2009, 08:56 PM   #4
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All cars have stupid stuff. Try changing an entire car, like everyone wants now, every few years and get everything right. You have no clue how a large-scale project works if things like this surprise you. My Civic Si has to have the wheel remove to shave 20-30 minutes off of trying to get the oil filter off. All cars have idiotic crap like this. The only ones that don't didn't change for a very long time, and it took the first 3/4 of the total lifespan to get it right(think K5 Chevy truck with SB 350). Get over it or go to Ford and show them how to do it yourself.
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:22 PM   #6
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I had to remove the intake manifold on our Golf to change spark plugs.
2003 and newer VW's prime the fuel pump every time the drivers door is opened. When/if the door switch goes bad it puts that much more stress on the ignition and fuel pump circuit. Let it go too long and it can take out a fuel pump. The door switch is bad on our Golf, VW wants ~$300 for the door switch, $200 to put it in.
The car is an '03 and rusting from underneath the paint, and not where I'd expect it to be rusting from (road spray/salt soaked areas).

My old SHO I had to remove the intake manifold to do the back plugs. Forgot about the 2 support brackets on the back, pulled up and broke them in half. oops.

I used a hammer to beat the firewall back on our '01 Chevy p/u so I could get to the rear plug. Can't imagine doing them on a F-Body.


Every car manufacturer does things for good reason. Seems more and more that reason is so they get business.
But I do have to say that you removed the VCT Solenoid after you pulled the VC, presumably you tried to take it off prior to. So I'd bet it just slipped your mind that it had to go in first.
But i can put mine in after, just grab a pliers and spin it clockwise a bit and pull up, it'll pop right out with the VC in place.
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You guys, come on. Surely you don't believe that these issues arise from a conscious effort to make money.

Imagine if you have thousands of people who are all very skilled and have to drill down into a specific topic for months and months, maybe even years, going so hardcore that nobody knows what they're doing except for their team. When you come together to fuse all of the technologies, i.e. engineering, aesthetics, etc., you have places where the ideas don't overlap. Part of the project process is to get to this point and then fuse the technologies to the best of your ability. There will always be issues that nobody is happy to let go into the final product, but in the end it is a process of compromise.

My suspicion is that most of the quirks that you will find in the SVT have to do with compromising certain practicalities for performance.
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True.....I suspect the body design dept is given an engine and told "design your body around this". There are bound to be problems with this scenario.

When you get down to specific problems with the engine for instance, these cars do have problems. For the life of me, I'll never understand why the drive pulley or sprockets are not keyed to the crank. That is completely foolish.....and was done so to save a few bucks. I can see no other reason.
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True.....I suspect the body design dept is given an engine and told "design your body around this". They're are bound to be problems with this scenario.

When you get down to specific problems with the engine for instance, these cars do have problems. For the life of me, I'll never understand why the drive pulley or sprockets are not keyed to the crank. That is completely foolish.....and was done so to save a few bucks. I can see no other reason.
That's totally possible. So think about engineers who are specifically in charge of cost savings, backed by a bunch of stupid admin morons(read accountants), who have to lock horns with the performance gurus at SVT. It's a very complicated process and there are always problems. This is exactly why I hate to see cars changed constantly. They look cute, but they have serious design and execution problems. You cannot have it both ways: modern design and flawless. Now, contemporary design, you can have. You're just not going to be on the cutting edge all the time in terms of looks and technology if you worry about whether Bobby in Indiana is having an easy time getting a pulley installed on an 8-year old Focus with an engine that sold all over the world. Again, this is the very reason that the GM 350 engine went as long as it did with almost ZERO changes other than fuel injection. And this is also why so many people swear by and die by the GM small block engines. But, now they're gas hogs, have flat response curves, cost a fortune to tune up really well, etc, etc, etc. It's a game of compromises and until you see the bigger picture you will never be happy if all you want is perfection. My '09 is a pretty damn solid car considering all of these things that I've said, and then factor in cost.
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Soooo, you have problems with a valve cover gasket and some other small stuff? Pfft. Try changing the spark plugs on our Sonata (V6) sometime! Try doing a trans on a RAV-4. There are quirks about EVERY car's engineering designs, especially the more expensive cars. In a world where 30K children DIE every day from malaria, people are buried alive under mud and water, homes are ravaged by wildfires, earthquakes topple entire cities, we're complaining about a valve cover gasket? We're spoiled and we should consider ourselves extremely LUCKY to even have a car, let alone an SVT or even the money to work on them and a garage to do it in.
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