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Old 10-15-2003, 11:06 AM   #1
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Oil Additives

I'm new to the list, so Hi Everybody! This has probably been asked before, but is it OK to use additives such as Duralube in the Focus engine? Always had great results with these products with all my past VW's (I am now a true convert- no more VW's for this guy!), but then, the VW engines are designed more for 15W40 type oils, and allow for some oil consumption to be normal. I assume the modern Ford engines are of much tighter tolerance, as 5W20 is recommended.

So what such additives would be allowed / recommended, and has anyone experienced positive results by using them?

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1. Here some information on oil additives

2. Here's a novel of a thread discussing 5w-20 oil and other issues.

You might want to get a cup of coffee before you get started....
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think about this: if a manufacture knew these products increase milage, and decreased wear, they would all put them in and recommend them. It would be a dream come true for the manufacturers to have a simple oil additive to increase milage and decrease wear!
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"think about this: if a manufacture knew these products increase milage, and decreased wear, they would all put them in and recommend them. It would be a dream come true for the manufacturers to have a simple oil additive to increase milage and decrease wear!"

yeah, cause we all know they hate all the cash they get from selling extra parts and repairs later down the road!!

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there is no conspericy theory here!! they make more cash from repeat customers so a long lasting vehicle is better for business. I have a 1985 ranger with 275,000 miles on it. No additives
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An additive is the same as diluted rubbing alcohol. I used to work at a car dealership as an aftermarket manager and we sold oil additives as an aftermarket mileage booster. When I met with the rep who manufactures the stuff, he simply said "It's basically a mixture of diluted rubbing alcohol and some other stuff." So, with that, I made the product seem like a Must Have and made serious commission on a $1 production item! But, ya know, I religiously use Prolong, especially on my one high mileage car. The benefit is a minor system flush each time ya use it.
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actually vanace, when you go through car sales training, they tell you that most people trade in their cars on average of 3 years of usage because they get bored and want a new one. Hence the original 3 year 36,000mi warranty.(it doesn't warranty the life of the car, it warranties how long they think you, the original owner, will be driving the car..after that, it's used, and until recently, used cars didn't come with a warranty). Warranties have increase basically for peoples comfort in buying cars, and not because cars last longer. They also aren't really concerned with repeat customers because they know everyone will need a car eventually, and you will probably buy what consumer reports tells you to, so they make their cars fun, comfortable, and able to last through the review period (about a year). Car companies do rely heavily on parts sales. They also make money off aftermarket parts, and make cars with room to mod them. "Ford Focus" is copyrighted and anyone that wants to make parts with the Focus name on it (eg. FC, FS, FR, etc) has to pay royalties. The current Mr. Ford running the joint said it at an autoshow that he wanted a car people could get excited about modding other than the mustang to broaden their market (and their pockets), and we have it.
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I'm probably not sheding much light on the subject, however all oil companies have an additive package they add to their oil. Some additive packages are better for different reasons, ie. resist heat deterioration, have multiple viscosity, etc.
Haveing said that, I use Mobil 1 5w-30w. and no additives. My belief is that some additives leave residue,varnish and sludge. From what I've read, Systhetic oils are least likely to break down, lubricating better, and leave little if any residue. Not sure a dura-lube product would actually hurt the long term performance of the engine, though.

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I pretty much agree with jake and vanace on this one. There are some things in the additives that do work, but like the ball bearing test for duralube ( any seen it), any GL-5 rated gear oil will do the same thing. Any one remember what people were paying for slick 50 when it first came out..39.95 thats right 40 bucks, where are they now? actually there was some stuff in slick 50 that worked but it had a SERIOUS downfall.
Any way, when you sell oil that costs five bucks a quart, most people will buy it if convinced its good, now...the stuff that cost 10-13 bucks a quart is only for the serious nuts and the race teams ( i stock it in my store and sell very very little, the 5 dollar stuff, which is excellent sells much better)... anyway, the oil that over 10 a quart really doesn't have cost as an object, but it doesn't contain some of these miracle additives ??? think about that for a minute...I hope that rant made sense
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1. Here some information on oil additives

2. Here's a novel of a thread discussing 5w-20 oil and other issues.

You might want to get a cup of coffee before you get started....
Thanks- great info! I already knew about the issues with PTFE and always avoided it like the plague. However, without being very informed, I had always used Duralube in the half dozen VW's I owned in the past- it certainly didn't hurt them, as I ran them all up to and beyond 300,000 KM. Duralube seemed to reduce operating temperature- noticable on the temp guage, and provided slightly better milage. The excellent report you linked here does not mention Duralube, so not sure which of the 4 categories it would fall under. I know it's not a PTFE.

Anyway, I think I'll play it safe and not use Duralube or anything else in my Focus. Except for disappointing fuel economy, it sure is a great ride in every other respect.

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