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Old 10-14-2003, 04:14 AM   #1
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well iv given up on the cams, the timing directions i was given are not working, it seems no matter how man times i do it its wrong and the car doesnt run, stalls, or runs very slugishly, now i have the stock cams in, and at TDC the nothces in the cams line up so as the bar can slide in to them, so WTF am i doing wrong?!?! does anyone have a Haynes or other manual that tells what im sposed to do? there arnt any other marks or anything to go by, so what the heck does Ford expect soemone to do if the belt were broke?


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can't u use a timing light?
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Re: How Do You Time The Focus??!?

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well iv given up on the cams, the timing directions i was given are not working, it seems no matter how man times i do it its wrong and the car doesnt run, stalls, or runs very slugishly, now i have the stock cams in, and at TDC the nothces in the cams line up so as the bar can slide in to them, so WTF am i doing wrong?!?! does anyone have a Haynes or other manual that tells what im sposed to do? there arnt any other marks or anything to go by, so what the heck does Ford expect soemone to do if the belt were broke?
I don't know the answer to your question directly, but if I was in your shoes I know what I would do. I would visit www.alldatadiy.com and pony up $25. This gives you access to the exact same service info the pro's all use. $25 first year, $15 a year renewal.
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can't u use a timing light?
Timing light is for ignition timing, Solaris. However he's trying to time his cams .
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sorry, I don't know if I can answer your question or not, and I don't want to mislead you. I'm a little nervous about doing this to my car, but I'm doing it saturday regardless. From talking to my mechanic, he has as much experience with this as you or me (which has me extra nervous, but no one around here has worked on a Focus before). The shop had estimated this at 7hrs of labor, and rechecked and now say 4.3 (at $60/hr...they better work fast and not screw up!). They also upped the est. from 1/2hr to an hour on the dyno to get the gears tuned. I've gotta get that manual!! This whole install doesn't seem really complicated, but it's just gotta be so damn accurate! It's only Tuesday!!! I've gotta relax!
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I have the manual (High Perfomance Focus) Just give me a couple of minutes to fond out what they used for you.
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In the book they said that they used a pretty much stock focus with the intake advanced 5 degrees and the exhaust retarded at 2 degrees with a gain of 12 hp and 15 torque. Hey, try it I don't think the builders handbook would steer you wrong.
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nah tuning the gears isnt it, it wont run w/ the stock cams in it, the thing w/ the bar and top dead center is bunk on this, there needs to be another way
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putting the timing pin in is the way to find TDC. You have to crank the engine back and forth to get it to go all the way in. to find TDC...rotate the crankshaft clockwise until the intake valves for the #1 cylinder have opened and just closed again...the camshaft line markings on the ends should appear as horizontal as possible (this may be where you insert the cam shafts)...now try to insert the timing pin by turning the crank slightly back and forth to get it all the way in, but don't turn too much in either direction...when the pin is in, turn the crankshaft forward (clockwise) until the number 1 cylinder makes contact with the pin...you should now be at TDC (this is the most sensible time to insert the camshaft to me, since it is at TDC and your horizontal markings will be acurately alligned now, but be careful not to bump the engine around much as not to damage #1 cylinder).....the manual actually says to reverse the crank 90 degrees, insert the cams, then move it back because they were concerned with accidentally bumping a valve an having it make contact with the cylinder (which is bad), but if you are careful, I don't see this as a problem. They also say to use new seals. I guess they are just extra cautious because they don't want you holding them responsible if you screw up your car following their directions.
there's another way to find TDC by using a wooden dowl rod or something similar and inserting it into the top of cylinder 1 and rotating the crank until the rod quits rising, but there's a problem with this method because there's a "dead spot" around TDC where the cylinder rests for a while without movement....this isn't the accurate way!
This is from the Haynes repair manual....hope it helps....at least you won't damage anything with improper timing. Your car just simply won't run strong, if at all. I got the book yesterday, so ask away if you have Q's. I'll have the book on me until Saturday after my cams are installed. I'm reading it, and trying to learn as much as I can without touching my car yet.
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In a pinch you can do this: Make sure that your crank is on TDC of the compression stroke, a finger on the spark plug hole will let you know if you are on the right stroke, and look at the valves (but the valvetrain must be installed with cams and belt moving to move the valves, you will tke off the belt and fiddle with the cams after you have found TDC) and use a screw driver or homemade sparkplug piston stop to find the very top of the stroke (there is some dwell time at top, but working the crank back and forth once you get here will help you find the sweet spot). That will get you TDC on #1 cyl, so now you have to find the base circle of the camshafts. Un-install the belt, and rotate the camshafts until al the lobes are pointing up, and the valve followers are riding on the rounded part of the cam (the base circle wher no lift is going on). lock them in place somehow, put on your gears and set at 0, then install the belt. You should now be at true 0 degrees and can do what ever to your gears to tune. I've done the same with 2.3 Fords (old SOHC motor) and it works fine.

Gonfishin is right though, there is a proper procedure for the Focus as outlined in the Haynes manual, but doing it the old way like we have to with our old v-8s will work fine. Just take your time. I just wanted to post the procedure above in case you are in a pinch and don't have access to the proper procedure. I would suggest that everyone get the Haynes book. Their stuff is very good.

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