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Old 07-22-2008, 04:29 PM   #1
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Off topic: Need some info on a 351 Windsor

Right now I am working on replacing the oil pan gasket on my father in laws 5.8l 351 Windsor. To make a long story short you have to remove the oil pump to get the pan off. So now I am waiting a couple of days for gaskets for the oil pump and pick up tube since no one had any in stock. Once I do get them its all going back together. Now my question is since I am putting the old oil pump back on do I need to prime it with oil and what is the easiest way to do that? Also any other tips or tricks would be appreciated. Thanks for any help FF!


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Do the same as if you were starting the engine for the first time after a rebuild......disable the ignition or fuel pump (depending on the vintage) and crank it over until you get oil pressure indication on the gauge if so equipped or until the LOP light goes out. Presoaking/prefilling the new oil filter (hopefully you're installing a new one) as much as you can, taking into account it's orientation, will speed up getting oil pressure of course. Make sure that you run the engine for a while, check for leaks and then recheck the level. It'll take a bit more than just a normal oil change.
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Your awesome, thank you!

Ok it is a 89, should I disconnection the ignition or turn the fuel off?
I should probably also add that is is EFI.
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With the '89 vintage of EFI I think the safest method would be to disable the ignition. I don't think I'd trust the WOT deflooding mode, even if I knew for sure that it had that feature. You don't want this thing to even try to start/run until you crank it long enough to get some oil pressure indication. Limit the starter operation to about 10 seconds and then allow a bit of a cooldown before cranking again. (That's if it's required.)
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Right now I am working on replacing the oil pan gasket on my father in laws 5.8l 351 Windsor.
What year is the vehicle? I am pretty sure the 5.8l engine was a 351 Cleveland or 351 Modified, not a Windsor. The Windsor motor is a small block, 5.8l is an FE class v8.
I could be wrong about this...
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History of the 351..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_V8
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Your other option to prime the engine is to get all oil pump primer (a long hex shaped rod) and pull the distributor and spin the oil pump with a drill. If you go for this, just make sure you have the engine at top dead center on number 1 before you pull the distributor. Grumpy's method is easier since the distributor isn't already out though.
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"What year is the vehicle? I am pretty sure the 5.8l engine was a 351 Cleveland or 351 Modified, not a Windsor. The Windsor motor is a small block, 5.8l is an FE class v8.
I could be wrong about this..."

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If you are going to post that link, you need to also post this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/351_Windsor#351W


Even though I would not trust any information from Wikipedia's site, this is some useful information, but it may be tainted.
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*Update*

Well today was the day, finally got to start it up. Did the oil pan gasket, plugs, wires, cap and rotor. Also fresh oil, water pump, coolant and automatic belt tensioner. Everything worked as planned. I just disconnected the wire harness going to the distributor and turned her over for a few seconds and I had oil pressure. I used some 1/4in tubbing and an old Royal Purple Sychromax bottle to prime the oil pump through the oil filter hole on the bottom. Then I filled the oil filter with oil and screwed it on. Worked like a charm. Thanks again Grumpy!

Also it is definitely a Windsor. The engine code is an H. It also has the firing order of a Windsor. 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8

Now on to the problem, the whole reason for replacing the oil pan gasket was to fix an oil leak. Prior to this my grandfather had replaced the rear main seal the old fashioned way.... Well after starting it today and running it for a few miles it is leaking in the same spot back by the passenger side of the crankshaft area. It is an automatic and the oil comes down the inside the spacer plate that goes between the block and trans. It is really bugging me since so many repairs have been made and there hasn't been a permanent fix besides dumping more oil in it...

I also checked the valley gaskets on the lower intake manifold and everything is doing fine there, no oil. So any suggestions on how to fix this rear main seal without pulling the beast? If I can't get it fixed this unique but problematic truck is going to be sold. I hate to see it go since it is an EFI Windsor with a super cab... Any help is appreciated! Go FF :)
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