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Old 05-20-2004, 09:49 PM   #1
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SVT and/or 2005 ZX4 ST help

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Brand new here, so please forgive my ignorance. I'm sorry if this is the wrong forum, but I guess I'm leaning towards a SVT the most, so I thought I'd post here. I don't know anything about cars... and even less about the Focus. I've been reading about them lately, and they look like a good car. I'm really interested in getting one, but I have a few questions. I would be grateful to anyone taking the time to help me out!

First, I'm looking at either a 2004 SVT (maybe 2003?) or a 2005 ZX4 ST. I realize many people haven't had a chance to test the 2005 model, but I'm interested in comparison tests. Does anyone know how they rate against each other as far as acceleration and speed goes? I know the technical details like HP and torque, but not how they really perform. Just so you know, I probably won't be modding my car anytime soon (if ever), as I'm not really into that. So we're dealing with stock cars, I guess. I'd just like to know which you guys think will perform better as far as stop-and-go type of performance or anything like that.

Second, I know there were recalls on the 2001 Focus (maybe 2000, too?). I looked at some of the bulletins in the other discussion area, and I didn't see anything major with the 2003 SVT. Is it basically assumed that all the major recall issues have been worked out from 2002 and beyond?

Third, this should probably go in the audiophile area, but I'd just like a quick answer ... nothing to in-depth. I'll probably get the audiophile upgrade, just because I don't really want to upgrade the sound system myself. I just wondered if it was a noticeable difference, or should I just forget it?

Last, some places say the 2004 SVT has a 5-speed manual transmission, while other places describe a 6-speed transmission. I'm not sure which it is, maybe both?

Again, thanks for your time and help!


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Old 05-20-2004, 10:23 PM   #2
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the Audiophile is a GOOD system. it BUMPS and SOUNDs really good... the best stock system i have ever heard. it comes with a 6 cd in-dash cd changer, and a 290W amp and 8" sub. Get it or ull be sorry... i promise u. and the other thing... ALL SVTs have 6speeds... they have the GeTreg 6speed, and thats the only option on the SVT. Also all ull need to do if u get a 2003, maybe even 2004 is get the PCM update, called the YRFO. theres alot of forums on here about it, just read up. it eliminates all of the minor problems like the batterylight coming on, and a coldstart issue after a few miles are on the car. PM me if u need anything else. i have an O3 svt
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Old 05-22-2004, 12:43 PM   #3
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We have the ST at work and it is ok but, its no SVT. Stock for stock the SVT will walk on the ST. With a few mods like Full exhaust it could hand with a stock SVT. The ST is kind of plain jane if you will and doesnt have the feel or look like you get with the SVT and its european heritage.
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Check what insurance would cost for the two, and realize that the SVT requires premium gas, and the ST requires regular. Big price diff. Plus the ST has way better low end torque so it is more pleasurable around town. I have the audiophile and love it.
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Old 05-22-2004, 01:42 PM   #5
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If you drive in the city and usealy in medium to heavy traffic get the ST.
Or if you really like to shift gears constantly and working a clutch in traffic up hill go for the SVT.
If your looking for the fun car it is by far the SVT and why not it's loaded but the ECU does need the reprogramming on it. After 2002 80% of the flaws in the SVT where worked out but there are a few left over flaws. As far as stop and go the SVT has stopping power to spare but off the line first gear the St has great power but after that an SVT will hand the ST it's ass. Cornering in the SVT is superior to almost any car with out mods. You will find your self going through turns very aggressively. Audio wise thats just your call but if there is no intent to upgrade get the audiophile system it comes stock in the SVT but a upgrade for the ST. SVT's only come in 6speed transaxles the standerd focus has the 5speed.
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Check what insurance would cost for the two, and realize that the SVT requires premium gas, and the ST requires regular. Big price diff. Plus the ST has way better low end torque so it is more pleasurable around town. I have the audiophile and love it.

the price for gas for my svt focus isnt that expensinve and i live in california.....i pay $24.00 for a full tank of gas..Insted of $45.00 for my old Expedition...what a price diffrence Im glad that I have my svt focus
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Okay, cool! Thanks for all the good information. I think you're right about the SVT being a lot faster than the ST. I test drove them both and the SVT seems more fun. Thanks!
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SVT Focus is an extremely fun car it doesn't get the best gas milage but I gurante you will love it there are only a few things I could improve about it 1. More power (super or turbo) 2. AWD 3. Resale Value My biggest problem with Foci is they have a bad resale value but if your buying one that can work to your advantage
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Check what insurance would cost for the two, and realize that the SVT requires premium gas, and the ST requires regular. Big price diff. Plus the ST has way better low end torque so it is more pleasurable around town. I have the audiophile and love it.
The ST has a 14 gallon tank and the SVT has a 13.2 gallon tank. There is a price difference of .20 cents between premium and regular unleaded. Going by that for prices here in Dallas, $1.91 * 14 = $26.74 for a full tank on the ST. The SVT would be 13.2 * $2.11 = $27.85. That is a difference of $27.85 - $26.74 = $1.11. How is that a big difference?

Second, what is the "way better low end torque" you're talking about. SVT = 145 ft-lbs @ 5500 rpm. The ST = 154 ft-lbs @ 4250 rpm. 9 ft-lbs of torque difference, you classify that as "way better?" What is "way better" is the horsepower difference between the two cars. SVT = 170 hp @ 7000 rpm vs ST 151 hp @ 5750 rpm. That is a difference of 19 hp, which is "way better." Off the line the ST might pull a little, but by third gear the SVT should be walking the ST nicely. Sure you can mod out the ST, but then you break the warranty. Don't forget, pleny of mods for the SVT as well.

And finally, my insurance company quoted me a difference of $4 between the price of my SVT and a regular ZX5 I was planning on buying. My SVT costs $85 a month to insure, the PZEV ZX5 I almost bought would have been $81 a month, big deal.

The ST is expensive, it's incredibly boring looking, and it will not provide the performance of the SVT. I say if you can find an 04 SVT grab it while you can, with the incentives Ford is offering and the way dealers are willing to negotiate, you can get an SVT for a killer price. Oh yeah, don't skimp on the audiophile, it is easily one of the best stock sound systems sold in any car in America, yes, that includes high end luxury cars too. The system is incredible, it will not distort no matter how loud the volume, and it stays incredible crisp and clear. I love it.
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The ST has a 14 gallon tank and the SVT has a 13.2 gallon tank. There is a price difference of .20 cents between premium and regular unleaded. Going by that for prices here in Dallas, $1.91 * 14 = $26.74 for a full tank on the ST. The SVT would be 13.2 * $2.11 = $27.85. That is a difference of $27.85 - $26.74 = $1.11. How is that a big difference?

Second, what is the "way better low end torque" you're talking about. SVT = 145 ft-lbs @ 5500 rpm. The ST = 154 ft-lbs @ 4250 rpm. 9 ft-lbs of torque difference, you classify that as "way better?" What is "way better" is the horsepower difference between the two cars. SVT = 170 hp @ 7000 rpm vs ST 151 hp @ 5750 rpm. That is a difference of 19 hp, which is "way better." Off the line the ST might pull a little, but by third gear the SVT should be walking the ST nicely. Sure you can mod out the ST, but then you break the warranty. Don't forget, pleny of mods for the SVT as well.

And finally, my insurance company quoted me a difference of $4 between the price of my SVT and a regular ZX5 I was planning on buying. My SVT costs $85 a month to insure, the PZEV ZX5 I almost bought would have been $81 a month, big deal.

The ST is expensive, it's incredibly boring looking, and it will not provide the performance of the SVT. I say if you can find an 04 SVT grab it while you can, with the incentives Ford is offering and the way dealers are willing to negotiate, you can get an SVT for a killer price. Oh yeah, don't skimp on the audiophile, it is easily one of the best stock sound systems sold in any car in America, yes, that includes high end luxury cars too. The system is incredible, it will not distort no matter how loud the volume, and it stays incredible crisp and clear. I love it.
Nicely put . Not to mention a ZX4 ST is a normal build vehicle while the SVT is limited production and the hook up when getting service done on the SVT. Oh yeah, the ST doesnt get with an SVT, I raced the one off the lot
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