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Old 11-19-2007, 09:56 PM   #1
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Fuel cells...me likey

Just saw the new Honda comercial for the FCX Clarity
http://world.honda.com/news/2007/407...FCX/index.html

Personaly I am really excited about Fuel cell/Hydrogen powered technology. a few years ago I had read that Ford and Dodge had Fuel Cells in the works and I was really wanting them to come thru, but I should have expected Honda to beat em to it.

For me this is real alternative to Oil based fuels, and with Honda bosting a 60-70 mpg2 vehicle I am even happier, thats some good numbers.

So tell me what you guys think, my only questions are :
What kinda feel or power do these vehicles have?
and what do you think will happen after say 50-100 years of vehicles emitting water vapor as exhaust??


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Unless there's an unforseen breakthrough in fuel cell technology I wouldn't expect to see fuel cell powered cars on the lot in our lifetime. They require platnium on their catalyst surfaces, and platnium is both rarer and more expensive than gold...in fact its jokingly referred to as the "rich man's gold." Seriously, it sells on average for about $1400 per troy ounce. If automakers were to start mass-producing fuel cells they'd speed through the small supply of it available in short order, causing its already lofty prices to skyrocket.

Fuel cells also require hydrogen to produce electricity, and given the relatively simple modifications to convert pretty much any gasoline-burning IC engine over to hydrogen it would make more sense to fuel our current cars with hydrogen - assuming a viable and sustainable method to extract hydrogen from water is discovered.
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For me this is real alternative to Oil based fuels, and with Honda bosting a 60-70 mpg2 vehicle I am even happier, thats some good numbers.

So tell me what you guys think, my only questions are :
What kinda feel or power do these vehicles have?
and what do you think will happen after say 50-100 years of vehicles emitting water vapor as exhaust??
You still need oil based fuels to get hydrogen (same with electric cars) and I can't see how adding more levels of energy conversion is increasing efficiency. I mean, a huge petroleum engine (or turbine or whatever) will be far more efficient than a bunch of small car engines, but then you are converting that to electrical energy (=huge loss), converting that into chemical energy (=huge loss), and then finally converting that stored chemical energy into mechanical movement (=huge loss). I doubt the overall fuel savings is anything to write home about.

They would need to have some cheap catalyst to extract hydrogen from water before it would be reasonable.
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what about using stuff like Wind, water or solar energy for the electrolisis process of splitting water into Hydrogen and oxygen? don't u then get Hydrogen with much less Oil by product used?
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what about using stuff like Wind, water or solar energy for the electrolisis process of splitting water into Hydrogen and oxygen? don't u then get Hydrogen with much less Oil by product used?
I suppose that is a possibility.
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No, it works. Its possible to extract hydrogen from water using renewable energy...hell, you can do an electrolysis experiment with a 9 volt battery, $.50 in radioshack parts and some aluminum foil. Granted you couldn't generate a significant amount of hydrogen with that method, but its not like it requires a ton of power to pull it off.

The problem is the gas, coal and oil comapnies have people like you convinced that there are no viable alternative energy sources.
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A few months ago I watched a show on pbs ( I think it was wired science). The show interviewed the person in charge of Toyotas hydrogen fuel cell program, and he did'nt seem to positive about the future of hydrogen. At best he said it was many years away. He brought a hydrogen powered sequioa with him to demonstrate the technology, but all in all seemed very negative about hydrogen.
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no, they don't. that's why we're excited about this
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currently, Spain has a huge solar energy plant and they plan to build more like it. it actually focuses and magnifies the inensity of the sun to one point, super heating water (super heated water vapor is very powerful) and turns turbines. Most power plants work this way, super heating water to spins turbines, but the engery to heat the water comes from fossil fuels. This plant produces 11 megaWatts

here are several links that i googled.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007...le_solar_s.php

this one has a nice overhead shot of the plant
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2...7-03-30-02.asp

It is very possible to use hydrogen to power cars, but is it easy to build the infrastructure? Not really. Gas stations would need huge electrolisis machines/convertors, as well as ways to store the hydrogen under pressure (these tanks aren't cheap, a regular SCUBA tank costs $150 for the cheap one and that is a small closets worth of air). Then, installing cars with these heavy tanks that wont explode on impact...
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creating hyrdogen through current methods consume more Watts(HP, BTUs) then it can produce. It is an energy gap for now
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