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Old 04-03-2007, 04:52 PM   #1
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Consumer Reports must read!

Here is a link to some very good reading. I own a 2 cars now it seems each on the opp. sides of the spectrum. Ford being one and a Acura (Honda) being the other. This report just about sums it up the way people are thinking about the US and its auto trends.

After reading it I have the same feeling as prior to to going over it. I hate "ford" but i love "my" ford. get what I mean. Seems that American auto makers just dont get it, and sad to say I dont think they will till they start listening to the people they are trying to sale cars to. I say bite the bullet and admit you suck, listen to us, and build a dang good lineup. I feel that the USDM makers are just about past the point of no return, hell even the black eye of the JDM market is kicking the US's butt. (kia, hyundai, and partley mitsu., maxda and even nissan) and to think this report just scratches the surface of the "looks" department, and goes after what people dont look for any more but rather expect out of a car, handling, braking, or fuel economy.
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Consumer Reports which I call Condemner Reports has been notorious for being import fanboys for a long long long time. It really doesn't matter what the American car companies do to CR they will always automatically bad mouth it and say imports are better blah blah blah. They are so biased I refuse to even look at there articles. They have no real gripes and go out of there way when they review american cars to make them look bad. And even if say a specific American car really deserves praise they will half heartedly give it as if its nothing special but still go above and beyond and nitpick a lot of other stupid things. But yet they wont be that thorough when they review imports. It is redicoulous how stupid and short sided these import fanboys are over at that mag.
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Consumer Reports which I call Condemner Reports has been notorious for being import fanboys for a long long long time. It really doesn't matter what the American car companies do to CR they will always automatically bad mouth it and say imports are better blah blah blah. They are so biased I refuse to even look at there articles. They have no real gripes and go out of there way when they review american cars to make them look bad. And even if say a specific American car really deserves praise they will half heartedly give it as if its nothing special but still go above and beyond and nitpick a lot of other stupid things. But yet they wont be that thorough when they review imports. It is redicoulous how stupid and short sided these import fanboys are over at that mag.
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hummm ok. trying to not pick sides. so your telling me that what they said is wrong, that the USDM market is 180 out of what they put..

I dont know but i sure as heck dont see it in my time with ford. and my family only buys fords, and just puts up with the heart ach year after year. well except my step father because there isnt a import truck worth a darn. over all i give ford F250 the best truck out there, it woud be nice to see the chevy turbo desiel in the ford body. but o well.

any how thanks for your insight.
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I agree but the article has some very vailid points
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Ford trucks wouldnt be the best selling trucks for over 30 years by putting chevy engines in them. Thats why they keep outselling them decade after decade. For the over 20 years I'v been hearing how much better the imports are compared to the domestics, but here we are in 2007 & Ford still sold more cars & trucks here in the USA than the top selling import company. How many companys can lose 12.7 billion dollors & stay in bussiness
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hummm ok. trying to not pick sides. so your telling me that what they said is wrong, that the USDM market is 180 out of what they put..

I dont know but i sure as heck dont see it in my time with ford. and my family only buys fords, and just puts up with the heart ach year after year. well except my step father because there isnt a import truck worth a darn. over all i give ford F250 the best truck out there, it woud be nice to see the chevy turbo desiel in the ford body. but o well.

any how thanks for your insight.
Ohh no no no!! I am not saying everything they say is wrong I am not saying the USDM market is 180% different from the way they put it. What I am saying is These people over at CR have it in for the USDM companies. They cannot say enough bad things about American cars. Its almost like if they dont write 100+ bad things about American cars they review then they feel they haven't done there job!!!
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Ohh no no no!! I am not saying everything they say is wrong I am not saying the USDM market is 180% different from the way they put it. What I am saying is These people over at CR have it in for the USDM companies. They cannot say enough bad things about American cars. Its almost like if they dont write 100+ bad things about American cars they review then they feel they haven't done there job!!!
I see what you were saying.
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Ford trucks wouldnt be the best selling trucks for over 30 years by putting chevy engines in them. Thats why they keep outselling them decade after decade. For the over 20 years I'v been hearing how much better the imports are compared to the domestics, but here we are in 2007 & Ford still sold more cars & trucks here in the USA than the top selling import company. How many companys can lose 12.7 billion dollors & stay in bussiness
I hate to tell you this, but the Ford trucks havnt been the number one truck for some time now. You cant listen to the comercials and say "wow they say they are #1, so they must be".
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just to go out on a limb and prove that the USDM market is falling apart a tad bit faster than people think here are 2 more good readings that came out today and are good reads.

this one is about the big three still getting further and further behind and now seeing it.
The Big Three Falling Behind

And this one is about one of them all but dead, any one feel like owning a auto maker?
Chrylser on the chopping block, do I hear 50, any one?

oh and just so you dont think im picking on the USDM market, please by all means any thing mainstreem or not bad about the JDM market and the failure to please and produce good products to the end user let me know. I would love the chance to read some thing bad about them and if need be start yelling at Acura (Honda) for screwing up. At least with them I think they listen.

As an example, of my good friends at Honda. They did something really stupid, they killed the Integra line in the US and called it the RSX. Even though it was still the Integra in Japan we were sad to see the line change. but it was a fresh new and all around HUGE upgrade. This year since all the rich little brats BED and moaned and groaned about the RSX and its short commings they killed the line. So the Integra is now dead. and will not be replaced for about 2 or 3 years. They plan on bringing a car they make up in Canada right now and introducing it to the US. Reason for killing the line a test done by Honda, all complaints were by age group 16 to 22 year olds moaning about prformance. "Why cant I race my car and beat that Civic eg." HAAAA. Stupid rich people piss me off. reason for making another line to replace the Integra line is the past few months more complaints about not having one. well no kidding guess the age group 28 to 42, the ones that actually BUY the cars, not these 16 to 22 year olds that buy them and wreck them. Granted its good for business when a car comes back in for repair. more money. BUT thats also a double sided sword. now peopel are hearing these tails from kids crashing all the time (stupid people shouldnt drive) and seeing them being towed. So the new line comming is going to be race inspired again but this time a tad bit out of the price range unlike the Integra and the RSX. So far the rumors are said to be just under the price of the TSX (28K), between 23 and 25K, BASE LINE, ouch.

On a side note, and a rather sad one. in Az a few weeks back a 16 year old was driving her car that her parents bought for her. she was going down the freeway and lost controle. the poor little girl was smashed on impact and the entire city is in morning (sp). Tuscon put a HUGE front page article about it. OHHHHHHH by the way it didnt mention that the little brat was driving a 04 WRX STi with just under 20K on top of the price in MOTOR MODS!!!!!! Rich people have no respect for what they have and no idea what the hell they drive. It was sad to see her life lost but for the parents I hope it plagues them for the rest of thier life, on how fricking stupid they were. im getting down from my soap box now.
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