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Old 01-02-2017, 07:27 PM   #11
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It's basically the same car. As another poster pointed out it's the mid cycle update. This means the "soft" exterior components get changed (things that don't need significant tooling upgrades). On the Focus this was the hood, front fenders, rear hatch and both bumpers. Part of that upgrade was to also change the lights. Otherwise it's really the same car underneath.

The interior has even less changes (it sure looks different but that's due to specific part changes). Basically the steering wheel was changed, the door handle surrounds (lock button added) and the center console trim plate (the HVAC module was refaced, as were the radio controls, but the back end components are functionally identical).

There are some suspension changes to bushing and damping rates, but hard points are unchanged. There may be some stiffing of the sub-frame, but I wouldn't say this is major.

These types of changes are common in addition to the year over year changes (like the 2014 mid year brake rotor size change).
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It's basically the same car. As another poster pointed out it's the mid cycle update. This means the "soft" exterior components get changed (things that don't need significant tooling upgrades). On the Focus this was the hood, front fenders, rear hatch and both bumpers. Part of that upgrade was to also change the lights. Otherwise it's really the same car underneath.

The interior has even less changes (it sure looks different but that's due to specific part changes). Basically the steering wheel was changed, the door handle surrounds (lock button added) and the center console trim plate (the HVAC module was refaced, as were the radio controls, but the back end components are functionally identical).

There are some suspension changes to bushing and damping rates, but hard points are unchanged. There may be some stiffing of the sub-frame, but I wouldn't say this is major.

These types of changes are common in addition to the year over year changes (like the 2014 mid year brake rotor size change).
Are the brakes on the upgraded cars any better ie more stopping power or...?
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Old 01-02-2017, 07:37 PM   #13
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Are the brakes on the upgraded cars any better ie more stopping power or...?
Supposedly not, I've never verified, but the word was they put on larger rotors so that a lower dust pad could be used while maintaining performance.

Now if you put on better pads on the larger rotors they would I think stop better than that identical pad on the smaller rotor.
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Supposedly not, I've never verified, but the word was they put on larger rotors so that a lower dust pad could be used while maintaining performance.

Now if you put on better pads on the larger rotors they would I think stop better than that identical pad on the smaller rotor.
I don't mind the dust tbh - lots of people seem to be complaining about it...any idea of a good track/street pad?
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I don't mind the dust tbh - lots of people seem to be complaining about it...any idea of a good track/street pad?
I'm using Carbotech 1521 "Bobcat" pads, but those are low dust street. For occasional HPDE driving they do fine. But if you want a true street/track pad you'd have to go up one notch in Carbotechs lineup.

Hawk has pads that are similar as well (both a low dust and a true street/track pad).
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I'm using Carbotech 1521 "Bobcat" pads, but those are low dust street. For occasional HPDE driving they do fine. But if you want a true street/track pad you'd have to go up one notch in Carbotechs lineup.

Hawk has pads that are similar as well (both a low dust and a true street/track pad).
That's useful information. I'll check it out. Thinking of hitting up a HPDE at Thunderhill in February.

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