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Old 07-20-2016, 11:15 AM   #1
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THE BEAST intercooler vs CX Racing Intercooler on Stock Turbo

So huge debate in the St.Louis ST and RS enthusiasts about whether or not The BEAST intercooler is too much for a Focus ST on stock turbo.

I'm currently running the CX Racing intercooler off of Pandamotorworks.com and it is great for the setup I am running. I recently bought The BEAST intercooler from Depo Racing and soon it will be installed on my car. The reason for the buy is for future build bigger turbo setup. I am wanting to keep temps down as much as I can.

In conclusion, they are arguing that the stock turbo will have to work extra hard to force air through resulting in more wear of the turbo. Also, claiming a pressure drop, and possible too low temps.

I want your thoughts on this and see what you say.

A little information on the two intercoolers.

The Beast Intercooler
- 28” x 8.25” x 5.5” Bar and Plate Core
- Rolled pipe ends
- Aluminum Bar and plate Construction
- Air splitter design in endtanks

- Mounting Hardware Included
- Pressure checked at 45 psi
- 200% more flow space then stock
- 2.5″ inlet / 2.5″ outlet
- 800whp+

Link: http://www.deporacing.us/shop/ford/focus-intercooler/

PandaMotorworks Intercooler with a core from CX Racing

28x8x3.5

Link: https://www.pandamotorworks.com/prod...ant=1050556904


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TurboSmart 50/50 BOV
The BEAST Intercooler by Depo Racing
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:25 AM   #2
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I don't have an st but I come from turbo vw/audi world since 2001. Gti ,s4 etc.

Why not just set it aside for the future build ? I bought all the parts for my s4 build over time then did it all at once. Is there any issues with your current intercooler ?
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I don't have an st but I come from turbo vw/audi world since 2001. Gti ,s4 etc.

Why not just set it aside for the future build ? I bought all the parts for my s4 build over time then did it all at once. Is there any issues with your current intercooler ?
I was told by others that it brings down the temps to basically 0 heatsoak at WOT... that is what makes me interested in installing it now.
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Possibly. I can see maybe because larger pipes and core, later spool times. Years ago my 1.8T spooled 200-300 rpm later because I went from stock side mount to fmic. Just shifted the rpm ban to the right.
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Another side note, THE BEAST Intercooler is almost if not identical to the CPE big intercooler and they are saying it's ok to run on a stock turbo with no issues.
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Possibly. I can see maybe because larger pipes and core, later spool times. Years ago my 1.8T spooled 200-300 rpm later because I went from stock side mount to fmic. Just shifted the rpm ban to the right.
So if that were the case, wouldn't that mean the turbo is not working harder and is actually working less? Not trying to be cocky, just trying to understand all of this. I want real opinions with real data, not stuff like, oh its horrible bc its a ford, because I drive a chevy type stuff.
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Anyone who tells you the "too cool" air theory is a a fool. You want cool air, thus the entire purpose of an FMIC. It will never cool to below ambient #becausescience, so what's the issue?

As far as the turbo working harder to fill the piping and larger IC that is actually true to some extent. Probably not as much as they are making it out to be.

The turbo will experience a large pressure drop on the turbo to IC side, and flow more air on the IC to throttle side, all at lower boost pressures, while maintaining if not increasing HP at these lower boost pressures #becauseefficiency. But all this depends on where the wastegate reference is on the turbo. If the measurement for pressure is on the piping at the outlet for the turbo, your turbo WILL work harder to make the same pressure number as before, and you'll notice a higher increase in power than an air pressure reference after the intercooler as it will be flowing a good bit more air to fill and cause pressure in that more free-flowing inlet area.

I'd install the intercooler, and laugh at the naysayers all the way to the finish line... as long as your tune is up to snuff. If you have a custom tuner, contact them to schedule a retune ASAP.
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Good points. I don't see the turbo over working though if a turbo can only flow "x" amount of cfm. I can see the turbo working hard if its flowing through a straw lol.

I honestly think you are 100% fine. Then again I'm no expert.
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A turbo can be overworked from too much boost at too much airflow. The wheel is taken beyond its intended efficiency map, and this can lead to overspinning the impeller and you're looking at a failure. This is quite a problem for the Taurus SHO guys as their turbos are on the upper end of efficiency mapping from a factory tune.

In any case, simply an intercooler upgrade of any type without the boost being cranked up will definitely not lead to this scenario.
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Anyone who tells you the "too cool" air theory is a a fool. You want cool air, thus the entire purpose of an FMIC. It will never cool to below ambient #becausescience, so what's the issue?

As far as the turbo working harder to fill the piping and larger IC that is actually true to some extent. Probably not as much as they are making it out to be.

The turbo will experience a large pressure drop on the turbo to IC side, and flow more air on the IC to throttle side, all at lower boost pressures, while maintaining if not increasing HP at these lower boost pressures #becauseefficiency. But all this depends on where the wastegate reference is on the turbo. If the measurement for pressure is on the piping at the outlet for the turbo, your turbo WILL work harder to make the same pressure number as before, and you'll notice a higher increase in power than an air pressure reference after the intercooler as it will be flowing a good bit more air to fill and cause pressure in that more free-flowing inlet area.

I'd install the intercooler, and laugh at the naysayers all the way to the finish line... as long as your tune is up to snuff. If you have a custom tuner, contact them to schedule a retune ASAP.
I just want to say thank you for this for real. I felt like they were putting my build down because of the direction I wanted to go in. I am currently on a e30 tune at about 23.5-24psi MAX. I do have a aftermarket intercooler before installing the BEAST intercooler and intake, dp, exhaust, basically full stage 3. Only weak point at this moment in my build is the stock turbo.
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