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Old 06-23-2016, 09:42 AM   #21
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Sailor, you gave me 90 minutes in the middle of the night to respond? Seriously?
Shucks, you were online according to the indicator and I didn't want to leave it alone until tonight.

Now I see most of yours deleted, and another "oil thread" became a typical mess. Never did hear from you.

I welcome any suggestions, what should be done with this now & when should I do it?
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Shucks, you were online according to the indicator and I didn't want to leave it alone until tonight.

Now I see most of yours deleted, and another "oil thread" became a typical mess. Never did hear from you.

I welcome any suggestions, what should be done with this now & when should I do it?
Honestly, I don't care, delete my commentary in quotes if it's offensive, whatever.

The Magnuson act was not brought up at all, and it should have been. The dealer CANNOT void your warranty for changing viscocities on approved by manufacturer oil as long as it is not just plain stupid. 20w50 in our motors for instance would be pushing your luck.

With many of the 12, 13's approaching and passing 100k+ miles, changing viscocities to quiet engine noises will be a real thing.

Finally, I still don't like Elizabeth's wording in her explanation(s) at all. Call me jaded, but I can search for her posts and see several things that are halfass or just wrong in almost any of them. Reading her posts is like reading ricer math to me.


[edit] Oh, and as far as the oilpan threads and fill plug and undertray mounts being a laughable excuse to not change you oil more often than needed, I've personally replaced a dozen aluminum oil pans for people with weeping oil drain plugs due to over-torquing that frequent the quick lube type places. It's not a cheap part to purchase, and a pain the the ass to replace in most cases. $500+ dealer job. The struggle is real.[/edit]
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Shucks, you were online according to the indicator and I didn't want to leave it alone until tonight.

Now I see most of yours deleted, and another "oil thread" became a typical mess. Never did hear from you.

I welcome any suggestions, what should be done with this now & when should I do it?
Well, the op really was asking a non-question. IE: How many oil change threads do you need... really?
So I would say delete the whole thread. Maybe two or three of the several pages of posts have anything to do with changing oil. The rest are 'entertainment'. And the comment on 'lack of sense of humor' yeah.. For example the guy who agreed with the 'problem threads' comment. It was obvious he was being 'sarcastic'... to anyone with a sense of humor.

It IS rather funny how contentious oil change interval. change vs testing, oil viscosity, oil brand etc really is. Sort of like religion and politics.
The closest thing I know of is in audiophile circles. Cables raise plenty of hackles, and threads about them, arguing crap have been endless. Some sites limit what can be said, With no exceptions to the rules on the topic, since it does ALWAYS raise Hell between members.
Maybe a statement on 'oil change' might be in order. And the sticky threads about oil change, like in MK3 engine, are the ONLY ones allowed.

(and maybe the one about wrong viscosity in ST.. Which is a separate dealer issue)

Anyway, you want an opinion on THIS thread? I say destroy it.
Nothing will be missed.

Or, take JUST the op starter, (delete all the comments to it) and move it onto the oil change thread in MK3 engine?
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Finally, I still don't like Elizabeth's wording in her explanation(s) at all. Call me jaded, but I can search for her posts and see several things that are halfass or just wrong in almost any of them. Reading her posts is like reading ricer math to me.
I can tell you exactly what the problem is. IF my moniker was not a woman's name. And you not 'know' I was a woman.. I guarantee you would never think twice about what I write.
I run into your 'type' often enough. I know you will claim that has nothing to do with it. But from experience, I can prove it does.On male dominated sites, about mainly male topics, like cars, when I post with a clear 'female' moniker, I get 'extra' posts, and plenty of 'guff' from jerks. Yet, on the SAME SITES, with the exact same wit, and attitude, and comments from me, and the same style of writing, where I am sex neutral, So everyone thinks I am just another guy, NO extra posts, no guff, no crap.

IT is called SEXISM. And you , buddy, have it. Yeah you like women. but only in their place. Not as an equal among equals, like on this site.
So I totally rub you the wrong way. Get over it.
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Hahahahaha! Keep thinking that Elizabeth. You and you 'quoted words' are super scary!

Reverse sexism is real in that you expect me to treat a woman as a lesser human being!?

I don't have a sexist bone in my body, I am simply an outspoken human being and I am not afraid to be an ahole to those I come across in my life.

I treated suss6052 the EXACT same way a few years ago, and I'm sure he'll attest that he is not a female.
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Maybe I'm just biased because I LIKED the original post on "oil threads".

It summarized quite well the final outcome of them, nothing that's blatantly ridiculous or outside the manufacturers recommendations is good. Beyond that, doing what makes you happy won't cause a problem. Might not help, might help a little, all within a range where you can't prove any differences.

We may have differed on fine points, but the only one I think of is snow tire width - a subject that's VERY subject to opinion and varies depending on conditions encountered. NO preference will be "best" for everything there.

I've seen steel oil pans messed up on a single change gone wrong - not the nth change but the 3rd or 4th. Oil filter wrenched on dry at the same time to add to the fun. Or an aluminum pan that looks new at ~300k, after a LOT of changes since the car got regular ones PLUS an extra change B4/after every track outing.

Haven't seen engine issues from oil except for a lack of it, not that there aren't extreme cases - like never changing it.

Not going to touch this one right now,
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With many of the 12, 13's approaching and passing 100k+ miles, changing viscocities to quiet engine noises will be a real thing.
The idea of using "heavy" oil in an older engine might be better for "MythBusters", as it won't be an answer for long once something is severely worn, and wear is seldom perfectly even.
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Hahahahaha! Keep thinking that Elizabeth. You and you 'quoted words' are super scary!

Reverse sexism is real in that you expect me to treat a woman as a lesser human being!?

I don't have a sexist bone in my body, I am simply an outspoken human being and I am not afraid to be an ahole to those I come across in my life.

I treated suss6052 the EXACT same way a few years ago, and I'm sure he'll attest that he is not a female.
This is getting interesting, since I can't quite figure it out.

You'd mentioned quotes before, what's "super scary" about an exact quote from your post?

If you treated suss6052 the "same way" I'd put a wager that you were the one with mistaken information. He's no more immune than any of us to making a mistake, but he's QUITE knowledgeable and I think I can say that he's an engineer type in the field without letting out more than he'd like known.

No good reason to be an ahole to anyone who didn't treat you in a way to deserve it, and there's often little use doing so then.
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This is getting interesting, since I can't quite figure it out.

You'd mentioned quotes before, what's "super scary" about an exact quote from your post?

If you treated suss6052 the "same way" I'd put a wager that you were the one with mistaken information. He's no more immune than any of us to making a mistake, but he's QUITE knowledgeable and I think I can say that he's an engineer type in the field without letting out more than he'd like known.

No good reason to be an ahole to anyone who didn't treat you in a way to deserve it, and there's often little use doing so then.
Again, go look at Elizabeth's posts. She's a habitual emphasizer via quote. Wether anyone said something or not, if she wants emphasis..... the quotes come out.

Wasn't about misinformation with Suss. He was going on about how rare a car his Frosted Glass SEL was, and i simply stated that it was a color intended for rentals and 30 something females.... and got a 3 day vacation for it. Eh. Whatever. :)
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Don't use quotes often myself, sometimes it would be better if I had because of intervening posts made while I typed.

Without naming names, quoting long/picture filled posts to add only a short comment is more annoying to me.

Excerpting the portion you're replying to is actually the recommended procedure in the User info./FAQ section, you'll find it suggested in the Forum rules. Easier reading with less repeated info..

I've gotta chuckle about the old "Color" exchange. Might have been a little more to it at the time, IIRC there was quite the issue & plenty of sparring going on at one time over a replacement nose from an ST that still had the included ST logo - and a friendly Body Shop person adding an ST to the back to match - or so the story went.

"Why not upgrade/change when it's getting repaired?" ended up a sore point. Many more did it later.

Much later a member here came up with "SE" badges to use for the front in those circumstances, better than an ugly partial removal of the included badge (shape still shows).

Nice, unique color - even if some might think it a "pastel". Closer to a color toned Silver I think. Nice in a green or blue tone. Pink might be a little odd, that was last really popular in the 50's (and now a version for Mary Kay).
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