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Old 02-26-2015, 10:07 PM   #1
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Anyone else upgrade from a non-ST Focus?

I just replaced my 2013 Focus SE with a 2013 Focus ST. Obviously a terrible move financially, but damn was it worth it! Even though many people complain about the shifting on the ST, it is still much shorter and smoother than the SE. That thing would turn into a bronco (the horse, not the car) if I let off the gas in 1st or 2nd or didn't revmatch perfectly when downshifting. The car felt so anemic, needing to downshift a gear or 2 to accelerate at all. I love how now I am able to just push the gas in and easily overtake anyone. Oh, and hill start is fantastic.

The only things I miss are the softer ride in the SE, which felt perfect, the lack of rattles/noises, and the new car smell that my ST never had :(


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Pretty much summed it up^^^^^^ Yea pretty spendy move from your '13se,,,,
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Old 02-26-2015, 10:33 PM   #3
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I just replaced my 2013 Focus SE with a 2013 Focus ST. Obviously a terrible move financially, but damn was it worth it! Even though many people complain about the shifting on the ST, it is still much shorter and smoother than the SE. That thing would turn into a bronco (the horse, not the car) if I let off the gas in 1st or 2nd or didn't revmatch perfectly when downshifting. The car felt so anemic, needing to downshift a gear or 2 to accelerate at all. I love how now I am able to just push the gas in and easily overtake anyone. Oh, and hill start is fantastic.

The only things I miss are the softer ride in the SE, which felt perfect, the lack of rattles/noises, and the new car smell that my ST never had :(
Don't just floor the ST from low revs all the time. Yes I understand it has more torque especially from down low, but it's not good to it to load the engine up so much from below 3000 rpm and you could slip more easily into a zone where low speed preignition is more prevalent. LSPI is essentially mega knock and seems to be a lot more prevalent in turbocharged and direct injected engine applications.

A few things can help prevent it, but it's not 100% possible to prevent so far, use a good quality oil that can withstand the heat in the engine and with a low volatility/ low NOACK reading so it doesn't tend to get washed off of the cylinder walls as easily, use high quality fuels, and avoid loading the engine too harshly from low revs.



I know from time to time I've also taken advantage of the engine's flexibility and pulled from low revs and it seems smooth and stronger than my other car a 5 speed Focus SE, but it's putting a lot more stress on the power train.

At least the STs haven't been bending rods like the MazdaSpeed3s have been, though there have been cases of people melting pistons or destroying the ring lands on particular cylinders (#1 and #4 seem to pop up more often).

Otherwise enjoy the newfound performance and I don't mean to scare anyone. For that you have to read through the blown motor resource thread on focusst.org
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Old 02-26-2015, 11:25 PM   #4
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The third back car I had was a 1999 Contour SVT. I owned it from new, and kept it 13 years.. Mainly because Ford failed to make anything like it in all that time..
Then finally the MK3 Focus was around. I bought a 2012 manual tranny SE with sport package in 2011, before the ST was around.
After having the SE for over three years, I felt I needed something with some GO pedal. So I traded in the 2012 for a new, ordered, 2014 Focus ST3.
I saw the pics of the 2015, and hated the rear, and the new derived from the Fusion steering wheel. So I ordered a 2014 to get the color I wanted and the original design stuff.

I am happier with the ST. Though I sure miss the over 40mpg on the freeway that the SE got.
In the city my MPG is actually about the same!!
What is truly annoying about the ST is having to go 53mph or less to get mid 30ish mpgs.. As soon as I get up to 55 or more, the mpg drops to 29 and the higher the speed, the lower the mpgs. At 70mph the mpg is like 26.
But the ST is way faster.. And is a lot like my Contour SVT was. Just much better mpgs.

I would like to see a SVT Fusion. (or a ST Fusion) with the 2.3 Ecoboost (300+ hp, a six speed manual tranny. For under $33K base. With all the handling goodies Ford ST/SVT has be capable of. Maybe in 2017?
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Don't just floor the ST from low revs all the time. Yes I understand it has more torque especially from down low, but it's not good to it to load the engine up so much from below 3000 rpm and you could slip more easily into a zone where low speed preignition is more prevalent. LSPI is essentially mega knock and seems to be a lot more prevalent in turbocharged and direct injected engine applications.

A few things can help prevent it, but it's not 100% possible to prevent so far, use a good quality oil that can withstand the heat in the engine and with a low volatility/ low NOACK reading so it doesn't tend to get washed off of the cylinder walls as easily, use high quality fuels, and avoid loading the engine too harshly from low revs.



I know from time to time I've also taken advantage of the engine's flexibility and pulled from low revs and it seems smooth and stronger than my other car a 5 speed Focus SE, but it's putting a lot more stress on the power train.

At least the STs haven't been bending rods like the MazdaSpeed3s have been, though there have been cases of people melting pistons or destroying the ring lands on particular cylinders (#1 and #4 seem to pop up more often).

Otherwise enjoy the newfound performance and I don't mean to scare anyone. For that you have to read through the blown motor resource thread on focusst.org
Good to know! I'm glad someone told me before I floored my way into a blown engine.

I heard that fuel economy is better when staying in the highest gear possible when going up hill. Would you consider that too much load on the engine that could lead to pre-ignition? Supposing that I am not flooring it, but the gas pedal is pushed in a good amount.
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Old 02-27-2015, 08:47 AM   #6
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The third back car I had was a 1999 Contour SVT. I owned it from new, and kept it 13 years.. Mainly because Ford failed to make anything like it in all that time..
Then finally the MK3 Focus was around. I bought a 2012 manual tranny SE with sport package in 2011, before the ST was around.
After having the SE for over three years, I felt I needed something with some GO pedal. So I traded in the 2012 for a new, ordered, 2014 Focus ST3.
I saw the pics of the 2015, and hated the rear, and the new derived from the Fusion steering wheel. So I ordered a 2014 to get the color I wanted and the original design stuff.

I am happier with the ST. Though I sure miss the over 40mpg on the freeway that the SE got.
In the city my MPG is actually about the same!!
What is truly annoying about the ST is having to go 53mph or less to get mid 30ish mpgs.. As soon as I get up to 55 or more, the mpg drops to 29 and the higher the speed, the lower the mpgs. At 70mph the mpg is like 26.
But the ST is way faster.. And is a lot like my Contour SVT was. Just much better mpgs.

I would like to see a SVT Fusion. (or a ST Fusion) with the 2.3 Ecoboost (300+ hp, a six speed manual tranny. For under $33K base. With all the handling goodies Ford ST/SVT has be capable of. Maybe in 2017?
That's strange that you could only get 30 mpg in your ST under 55. When I first got mine I went on a 3 hour drive and averaged 30 mpg while averaging 75 mph. My mpg in daily driving is way down though from my SE, from 32 mpg to 25. Though it's probably because the ST can consume way more gas at WOT, which can be hard to resist.

An ST Fusion would be really cool. It's the only car left that Ford hasn't made a performance model for. It would be like a poor man's Aston Martin.
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That's strange that you could only get 30 mpg in your ST under 55. When I first got mine I went on a 3 hour drive and averaged 30 mpg while averaging 75 mph. My mpg in daily driving is way down though from my SE, from 32 mpg to 25. Though it's probably because the ST can consume way more gas at WOT, which can be hard to resist.

An ST Fusion would be really cool. It's the only car left that Ford hasn't made a performance model for. It would be like a poor man's Aston Martin.
Remember this is Winter here, and the average temps have been about 15F.
I only got the car in November.
This Summer the situation may change for mpgs.
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Remember this is Winter here, and the average temps have been about 15F.
I only got the car in November.
This Summer the situation may change for mpgs.
I noticed this year that when the temperature gets low (about 5 F or less) I have been running my heated seat and my heated backlight. When these are on my mileage plummets from an overall average of about 32 to 28 MPG on my Focus SE Sport. I was alarmed at first that something was wrong with my car but about two weeks ago I turned the seat off to see if this part of the drop and it is. At temps warmer than this I never noticed because my heated seat is not in use.

With the low numbers you are experiencing I am wondering if you have your heated seat on the whole time? If you do maybe try turning it off to see if things improve.
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