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Old 08-06-2008, 01:16 PM   #1
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snow season prep

I know this might seem weird in the SW, but one of the main reasons I got my durty gurl (fofo) was because of the gas mileage. I do allot of driving during the winter months to CA, CO, NM, and UT for snowboard trips. The ride is great, but what do you guys suggest to make my car a little more reliable/stable/traction in the snow? Before I get too deep into mods that I curse myself, just wanted to get feedback from people that live in/around the snow.

I was wondering mainly about power/traction/steering/susp. Anyone that has been to Sunrise here in AZ knows how crappy they keep their roads! I was even considering getting a set of spare wheels/tires with the studs just for those trips.

I went to OR last year and noticed that allot of the residents have the studded tires and there were allot of people with small cars on the mountain. Thanks!


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Old 08-06-2008, 11:05 PM   #2
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i would recommend snow tires over studded tires as they are hell on the hiways. you shouldn't be looking for more power in the snow/slick since it'll just make you break traction faster. a limited slip differential will help traction though as you won't be one legging it. if all you are doing is some snowbird trips i would then suggest getting a set of cable chains that fit your tires.

i did that last year and the day i was leaving to go back to AZ there was a huge storm that blocked all the roads and caused some serious drifting across the roads. with my chains i was able to crawl right through everything with only one spin when i hit an overly large drift and that was easily corrected.

the tires i was on were BFG G-force sports.
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I guess snow tires would be better on the highways. This is still my daily driver, and would like to increase performance, without overdoing it. Right now all I have is an AEM CAI. I was thinking about adding a little more hp to mainly help get up the mountains without having to be at 4000+ rpm's. Ice is a killer when you are at high rpms and the wheels are just spinning.

What about steering and handling? You mentioned "a limited slip differential will help traction though as you won't be one legging it" what do you mean one legging it? Sorry for the ignorance, but what is a limited slip differential and how hard is it to install? Really, I was just wondering about basic bolt ons...

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limited slip replaces the open differential in your transmission. installation should only be performed by qualified personnel. it works to make both wheels turn together. with an open diff, when one wheel loses traction that wheel will keep spinning and the other will not. with a Limited slip both wheels will turn the same and torque will be split evenly or to the wheel that has more traction.

in ice its better to drive one gear higher than you normally would to keep the revs low unless you are going up a hill.
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ok, that's a little more than I wanted to get into
What about adding more power to the lower RPM to help keep the RPM's down. Also, anyone know where I can get a CAI shield to keep the snow off?
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I ordered a shield for my K&N Typhoon off of eBay, but I've seen it posted that Walmart has them too. Just be careful, the edges of mine are nasty sharp...
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Snow Bowl gets to make snow!!!

Awesome, this is news that we have been waiting for a long time!!!
More snow trips!

Snowmaking OK'd at Snowbowl resort

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A federal court of appeals on Friday ruled that using reclaimed wastewater to make artificial snow at a Flagstaff ski resort does not violate the religious freedom of Native Americans.

The decision out of the court's Ninth Circuit in San Francisco overturns an earlier appellate decision to the contrary. The issue has see-sawed since January 2006, when a federal judge in Prescott first ruled that Arizona Snowbowl's plan to run a pipe up the mountain from a water treatment plant in Flagstaff was acceptable under federal environmental law.

A coalition of tribes and environmental groups led by the Navajo Nation appealed the decision on religious grounds, and it was overturned in March 2007 by a three-judge panel at the Ninth Circuit. Snowbowl's owners asked that the case be reviewed en banc - by the entire bench of appellate judges - which came back with a 9-3 decision in favor of Snowbowl.

At issue was whether the possibility of residual human waste in the reclaimed water — estimated at .0001 percent — desecrated lands held sacred by several tribes. The resort lies not on Indian reservation land but on U.S. Forest Service land on the San Francisco Peaks, which are held sacred by the Hopi, Navajo, Apache, Havasupai and Hualapai peoples.

Friday's ruling sympathizes with the tribes' religious beliefs but points out that there is no likelihood of ecological damage from use of the reclaimed water, nor would any tribal members be denied access to worship. The spiritual effect, it opines, is not substantially harmed to prohibit the resort's plans.

“Were it otherwise,” it reads, “any action the federal government were to take, including action on its own land, would be subject to the personalized oversight of millions of citizens. Each citizen would hold an individual veto to prohibit the government action solely because it offends his religious beliefs, sensibilities or tastes, or fails to satisfy his religious desires. Further, giving one religious sect a veto over the use of public park land would deprive others of the right to use what is, by definition, land that belongs to everyone.”
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sweeet, maybe this year there will actually be some snow.

oh and you best/cheapest option will be to just get a set of cable chains for your car. like i said before, they work great. takes about 5 minutes to put them on if you practice a couple times when its warm out and they come off just as fast.
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I lived in Alaska for 3 years never used snow/studded tires. I used the tires I have on now and even ran my 18's. You just gotta know how to drive in the snow. Double your distance for stopping, no sudden stops, no hard take offs and you'll be good to go.
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I'll look around some more to find out about the suspension set-up. I don't want to start throwing stuff at it if it is going to me in the winter time. I want to upgrade it abit, but don't want to drop it too much.

See the rally car going through the snow up on the top of the page...way top of the page....what's his set-up?

Tires I'm not too worried about, I'll look for a set of winter tires just for those trips.
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