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Old 12-06-2009, 04:49 PM   #1
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Exclamation Question for the RWD guys.

I've started thinking about adding two more cylinders to my engine swap idea.

I just am

Anyway, I've started thinking now..... what would/could be the likely advantages/disadvantages to using a transfer case with CV axles in the rear, connected to the driveshaft and transmission (much like the AWD jag rear end. or the Escape rear end) as opposed to the traditional 8.8 rear end kind of stuff? it IS an independant rear end, and I don't really want to have a solid axle in the back anyway.

SO my question is this: On longitudinal mount engines, with a manual transmission (T5 I'm assuming), could I utilize the driveshaft not for linking to the rear axle, but actually to the transfer case, and of course, to the rear CV axles? It would seem much simpler that way and would retain stock (or mostly for that matter) rear suspension.

Potentially what could happen? could the axles or the transfer case not withstand the kind of power a 2v 4.6 produces?

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Old 12-06-2009, 04:55 PM   #2
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Look at adapting Lincoln LS or 90's T-bird / Cougar rears.
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they independent rears as well? if so, both junkyards near me are PACKED PACKED PACKED with pre new edge cougars. LOL.

edit: So I'm looking for a Tremec T5 though? I see those have three different points for shifter mounting. I also read it can be adapted as 4WD anyone know how that works?
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they independent rears as well? if so, both junkyards near me are PACKED PACKED PACKED with pre new edge cougars. LOL.

edit: So I'm looking for a Tremec T5 though? I see those have three different points for shifter mounting. I also read it can be adapted as 4WD anyone know how that works?
The T5 is Borg Warner the Tremec is Tremec they are not the same. The T5 is probably the most common. It was used from about 83 on. The shifter actually bolts into the trans. Cut hole mount boot.
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oh ok I see how it works. if I remember correctly, the tremec is the aftermart replacement?

and so with that you mean it fits the hole on the focus perfectly? that's great!

I havent been able to find this out though... are the 90s cougars independent rear susp. with cv axles?
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oh ok I see how it works. if I remember correctly, the tremec is the aftermart replacement?

and so with that you mean it fits the hole on the focus perfectly? that's great!

I havent been able to find this out though... are the 90s cougars independent rear susp. with cv axles?
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That I'm not sure. Where the shifter fall is where you need the hole. Look for a 5sp Mustang to pull a shift tower from.


89-97 yes. The MN12 chassis.
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ok I read that wrong. I guess if it sits too far back I'd still be able to use the tremec though?

ok cool, one more question I can think of right now.... I just gotta ask, am I gonna need a different floor pan or does thr focus really have a tranny tunnel hidden under all that crap? lol
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ok I read that wrong. I guess if it sits too far back I'd still be able to use the tremec though?

ok cool, one more question I can think of right now.... I just gotta ask, am I gonna need a different floor pan or does thr focus really have a tranny tunnel hidden under all that crap? lol
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There is enough space to get the smaller trans's, T5, Tremec, C4
http://www.modified.com/roadtests/04.../photo_06.html

"Building the world's coolest Focus was no small task. Jamming the four-cam modular engine into the small workplace provided under the Focus hood required widening the front 18 inches of the tunnel, which accommodates the T-56 six-speed transmission. Even with this mod, there are no changes to the center console or dash and the firewall is untouched. A Tilton brake/clutch pedal assembly is used with a custom fabricated reverse-mount brake master cylinder and hydraulic clutch release instead of the cable assembly used on the Cobra."


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damn.... I already know more about this fitment than the D30. lol.

best part is there's a rear end wrecked crown vic taxi and also a security car one with the engines in them at the junkyard. can get the engine for 75 and the trans for 35. also there's a wrecked mustang there as well, possibly a manual one.

hey you've been really helpful though, thanks so much! I feel way better about this now.

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