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Old 12-14-2008, 03:05 PM   #1
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SPI swapped by 2.3 Fusion Duratec.

no comments about the SPI as it says slightly otherwise in the title basically my school shop has a 2.3L Duratec that was supposedly from a Fusion, that they sent us as an educational tool a couple years back (I dunno, maybe even last year) but anyway, it hasn't even been unwrapped yet. I just need to know if it would be the same engine as the 2.3L Duratec that's in the Focus. If so....... I could get a hell of a deal, say- FREE


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You'd probably be better off asking this in the D-tec forum.
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I heard this cant be done because the body wiring in the dtec is different from the wiring in zetec and spi.

That engine is not the same as the focus one.
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All 2.3 D-tecs ARE created equal.......
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I heard this cant be done because the body wiring in the dtec is different from the wiring in zetec and spi.

That engine is not the same as the focus one.
yeah I heard the same thing....... Though now I'm thinking, are there any four door 2.3L Foci out there?? if so, ha I should just swap out all the wiring...

BUT, would that possibly mean a new gauge cluster? those would fit into the dash still, yes? or does anyone think it would just bet better to make a custom harness to fit, say, the SVT cluster?
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Crap......who do I believe???
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The only reason why I knew it couldnt fit our cars because of the wiring was because I was going to put a Foci 2.3 in my SPI I was going to get everything I needed for dirt cheap and then found out I couldnt do it :(
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^^^ ah.......yeah, wow that really sucks. See I'd heard someone was in the process of it, but just got fed up with making custom harnesses....... I figure if there's like 2.3L ZX5 or something, maybe I can just jack all the wiring + the ecu and whatever else I need, from it and just rip out all my current wiring and put it in place of that..... hard job maybe, but yeah. on the other hand though, I did get a quick response from Tom in another thread (answered just what I needed ) and he said that going from SPI to D23 wouldn't be too hard, but I'd need the wiring..
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No, they really aren't.

First of all, you can't direct swap a duratec engine into a 99-04 focus because the duratec ecu will not drive the earlier style focus body components. You would have to re-wire the whole car.

As i was saing above. The D23 engines are not all the same. The D23 that's in the pzev and ST did not have variable valve timing and cable driven throttle bodies. The D23 that's in the Fusion and the Mazda3(non turbo) have variable valve timing and electronic throttle bodies. Even though it wouldn't work in the first place, im sure they have a completely different ECU and would take a lot to make it work properly with the focus.
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^^^ ah.......yeah, wow that really sucks. See I'd heard someone was in the process of it, but just got fed up with making custom harnesses....... I figure if there's like 2.3L ZX5 or something, maybe I can just jack all the wiring + the ecu and whatever else I need, from it and just rip out all my current wiring and put it in place of that..... hard job maybe, but yeah. on the other hand though, I did get a quick response from Tom in another thread (answered just what I needed ) and he said that going from SPI to D23 wouldn't be too hard, but I'd need the wiring..
I was about ready to purchase EVERYTHING for her car ^(ncedillos)^^ so we could do the swap for incredibly cheap when a friend of mine told me what it would take to do it properly. He said some poor guy on FJ found out the hard way what a pain it is to do the swap, he said he wasn't even sure if the guy finished the project.

Honestly, if you feel comfortable rewiring your entire car, go for it. You would have a very original car.

And yes the D23 came in the ZX5, i have one. The D23 only came in the ZX5 in 03 and 04, it's the PZEV models, came standard in green states, and special order in non-green states. If you're not in a green state you might have a hard time finding one to strip. I had to drive from MI to NY to purchase my D23.
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