I like it. Good read. Where did u get the straight? Size?

 

You mean the straight barb for the coolant bypass? It comes with the EGR delete kit from Massive. It comes with everything you need.

 

From K Dog's listing, it seems like the stopper is more so for the 08+ duratecs as they cant swap out the T
http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324391


Technically you could do this mod with out a tune to turn off the EGR/light but you would have a (harmless) CEL, right?

 

That may be correct since I haven't put one of these on an 08+ focus, they may require the cap.

I'm sure you could probably get away with not tuning it, however i'm sure you would see a little more gains if you did. I'm sure the stock tune would at least kick on the CEL, but you might be able to just plug in the valve and leave it under the hood to get that to go off. You would have to ask tom or k-dog about it though as far as the tune i'm not 100% sure

 

Excellent. Hated the EGR on the Zetec, Sure i'll hate it on the Duratec. Hell hate it on all fords. I'll be doing this one but i must finish the swap and get no lights/CELs 1st before i start taking stuff unfit for drag racing out.

R

 

Great write up & pix.[thumb]

 

Can we get an engine bay pic?

 

You can save a lot of time and money by just taking a NPT tap and tap and plug the 3 holes , very simple , very easy and cost about $1.00 for the 3 plugs

I use to make the egr plate but found tapping the holes much easier

Tom

 

Tom, that's a good idea. But how do you keep the metal filings from getting in the head? Seems like it would be better to do with the head out of the car.

So if I were rebuilding the motor, I'd do it Tom's way. If not, Massive's product looks simple and foolproof.

 

Yeah thats not a bad idea, just put some kind of plug behind the holes to get shavings out and grease your tap to catch most of the shavings, not a bad idea and it would be cheaper. but the massive EGR delete is only $30 bucks and comes with the barbs for the coolant lines and looks much cleaner than 3 bolts would look. you could save $15 bucks or so tapping and plugging the holes though.

And i'll have engine bay pics soon, I'm just finishing putting the new manifold on today. I've been fighting with the power steering clearance for a couple days now.

 

Im interested in doing this. I have a 2.0 and want to know if it will fit, and really concerned with the pros and cons. I dont want to have to get a computer tune or anything like that. My main goal is to raise my MPG. I recently purchased a STEEDA CAI for her. But am still looking for other ways to raise the MPG, or clean up the engine bay without lowering it. Thanks guys.

 

That Steeda sri is a great upgrade. You'll need a tune, if your going to delete your egr, unless you want the cel on. BTW a tune will help w/ mileage. Anytime you make the engine more efficent your going to get better mileage, if you can keep your foot out of it. Add a set of mild cams & a header & you'll see more mpg. Of course it'll take a while before you get your money out of it.

 

The CEL would still be there, unless you tune it to delete the EGR there is no way to get rid of it. A tune is well worth it you will see more mpg on a mildly tuned car. I was making almost 40mpg on my last tune before I added my most recent mods, I haven't seen what my new mpg is yet as i'm still tuning so its still changing

 

what kind of programmer do you guys use to improve MPG?

 

I'm using a SCT Livewire 9600, but most people just get the xcal3 also made by SCT. it seems to me the xcal3 is less glitchy than the Livewire. But its the tune that you put on the car that will increase your MPG, not the tuner itself. All the tuner does is flash new tune files to your ECU, you literally only need it plugged in for maybe 5 minutes at a time. Maybe a little longer if your datalogging. You don't want to use any pre-loaded tunes that come with alot of flash tuners. Get a custom tune.

Also lets try to keep this thread EGR related, I don't want to see my write-up get way off topic and disappear haha it took me a while to write it up as well as I did

 

Ive never tuned a car myself before. Is it pretty easy? Meaning something that I can figure out pretty easily

 

If you are not familiar with tuning it probably isn't something your going to want to try yourself, especially on the duratec motor. Unless you want to spend alot of time learning about tuning and even take a few classes on it and then spend a small fortune on tuning software its not something you are going to want to do yourself. The best thing to do would be to do some research into it and learn more about different engine mechanics in general and really learn about your motor specifically to learn what different features and modules it might have bolted to it so that you know what all the different sensors are doing and why they are doing it and how do you change that to make it do what you want it to do.

Overall tuning can be one of the more difficult things to do with one of the larger learning curves, not to mention the high cost of the tuning software. Almost everyone just buys the xcal3 flash tuner and then pays Tom to do a custom tune for you, he is by far the cheapest custom tuner you will find anywhere. There is a thread in the Focus Tuning section that explains how Tom's tune works. You will need to be prepared to flash new tunes and datalog and repeat until he can get the best possible tune for your vehicle.

Also if you do buy a flash tuner you NEVER want to use any pre-loaded tunes that may come on the tuner.

 

So by far, the xcal3 is the most popular, and reliable for the duratec. Im assuming that it comes with several preloaded programs, or is it a blank programmer. Meaning no tunes written onto it?

 

You can buy the SCT 3015 with preloaded tunes but for very little more money I can sell you a xcal3 flasher , full custom tune , free tune updates as you add more NA mods and my datalogging services to make your tuning experience easier for 399.00 and 20.00 for shipping

Tom

 

I'm not sure if the xcal3 comes with pre-loaded tunes but I know my Livewire has pre-loaded tunes on it so i'm pretty sure the xcal does as well, but none of them come with a custom tune written to them unless you also buy it from the tuner and he puts it on there before he sends it to you.

But again you NEVER want to use a pre-loaded tune, I have plenty of pre-loaded tunes on mine but I have never once used one or even thought of using one. Pre-loaded tunes are just a generic tune file and since every engine is different there is no way a pre-loaded tune file can effectively run your engine as efficently as possible, especially once you start throwing mods on the car.

Pay the money and get a custom tune for your car with your mods. The great thing about toms tune is the fact that he gives you free tune updates as you keep adding more NA mods so you don't have to keep paying for additional tunes every time you add another mod like you would with FSWERKS.

 

I wonder if there would be Ny benifit to takking the water port on the head and running the coolant threw it still?

 

That port is primarily for cooling the EGR valve, no valve = nothing to cool.

Blocking the passage with the valve removal prevents exh. gas flow through the head, removing a source of heat in the head for the coolant to deal with.

No extra heat from the exhaust gasses passing thru the head, no need for extra cooling there.

 

No there would be no benefit, you WANT to keep the coolant from running through the head to keep the coolant temps down, that's another major benefit of removing the EGR valve. By removing the EGR valve and still running the coolant through the head your almost defeating half the purpose of removing the EGR valve.

The Massive Speed EGR delete kit comes with everything you need to re-route the coolant lines.

 

So you're the famous Tom everyone keeps talking about. I don't really want to spend that kind of money on this car. (Even though the price is competitive with everyone else) I'm in the market for used flashers. Im assuming one can still write programs to it yes?

 

Yes - IF you buy the car that comes with it (chuckle)

FWIW - Advertising used flashers for sale was prohibited here a while ago, for the reason that once used they are "locked" to the car they were used on.

Units that are currently supported by the manufacturer can be sent in to be "unlocked" for a fee (not cheap). Used unit + unlocking + shipping can cost more than a new unit. No longer supported = expensive scan tool. Needs repair + unlocking - might save a few dollars if it was free.

Now IIRC there were some that supposedly would work on a couple cars, but you'd have to buy it & try it to know if it would work. For all I know for this is just an urban legend, don't remember it confirmed by anyone I trust.

If I was investing in one right now, I'd want a current unit I could expect to be supported for a while. No fun if you need to go back to stock, your unit doesn't cooperate, and it's no longer supported for repair. (for one scenario)

You may find a deal on one that works for you, just wanted to throw out the warnings.

 

Thank you. Im still a newb to the focus world (see # of posts here), so this insight is very helpful. Ill have to do some thinking on whether I will see enough benefit to warrant the cost. Thank you again.

 

So the only real advantage of removing the EGR is reducing cooling needs? My EGR is turned off with my tune, but I didn't think it would be worthwhile to remove the EGR. Is there a noticeable difference?

 

No, if your EGR is turned off in your tune already you wont notice any difference. The only real benefit of removing the valve completely is to SLIGHTLY lower coolant temps and to just remove un-needed crap from under the hood making it easier to work on because, well, less is there in your way. For the price I think its worth doing if you have your EGR turned off, its only like $30 bucks if it was like 100 bucks I would have never bought one.

 

I think that the cleaning up of the engine compartment is well worth the $30 price tag.

 

I may look into getting this soon. My egr is already turned off and since I've been working on wire tucking my bay and cleaning it up less crap there would be perfect for me.

I just ordered one as well as a pcv hose. I asked for a blk one= we'll see.

 

I may look into getting this soon. My egr is already turned off and since I've been working on wire tucking my bay and cleaning it up less crap there would be perfect for me.