: I just got a speeding ticket!
I just got a speeding ticket. I need some advice to what exactly I should do...
Heres the story: I was coming from a 25 mph zone to a 35 zone going downhill so I just let myself coast up to speed. I was less than 100 yards from the speed limit sign (actually about 3 car lengths approximation) and this cop drives by, turns on his lights, and pulls me over.
He said I was doing 40 in a 25, which I was hovering at about 37ish (between 35 and 40). He gave me a ticket for 34 in a 25.
Now what exactly can I do about it. I was so close to the sign it isn't even funny. Should I go to court and plead with the judge, or should I just pay the fine and super high insurance rates?[?|]
08-04-2006, 10:46 PM
I'd plead with the judge, because you were so close to the sign. I'd be pissed if I was in your shoes. Sorry that happened to you, and good luck.[thumb]
08-04-2006, 10:48 PM
why super high insurance? is this your first ticket? i'd be kinda glad that he didn't write the ticket for 40 like he said you were going. . .
I just had to jump through hoops to get my insurence rates to about 1/2 of what they were (from 1400 to 700), and this is my first ticket.
08-04-2006, 11:04 PM
You'll actually be "plea"ing with the district atternory, unless they have an axe to grind they generally like to avoid going to court. You may even get off without points or an insurance increase
08-04-2006, 11:19 PM
you can try and plead it but then you may not win and will then ahve court fee's...truthfully i would bite the bullet and pay it.
08-04-2006, 11:30 PM
if its your first offense, and if there wasn't an accident, its highly likely they'll bargain with you. And if you plea there shouldn't be any court costs involved.
A lot of people plead guilty for one reason or another, only 3% or something fight it. besides "No one likes a quitter" [;)]
08-05-2006, 12:51 AM
Challenge that crap in court dude. Cops like that piss me off.
08-05-2006, 07:54 AM
should have taken a picture at the scene! go back and snap one bring it in when you fight it.
only goos comes from this-
a)you postpone paying the fine fore about 2 months
b)they cut half of it off and do or don't talk with insurance
c)they cut it out all together
don't sweat it dude. just be polite when you fight it I'm sure they will let you slide, if not pay the $20 court fee go to court a second time then they will more than likely drop it for you plus the secodn time is when the cop has to show. and if you show the picture then he will probly be embaressed.
it's common sense, does a speed limit start after a sign? well then how could you read the sign if you're past it? just be logical.
08-05-2006, 09:07 AM
this is what you do (I heard this from a cop)
Tell them that you want all the paperwork that that cop had calibrated that exact speed gun that morning, say you want the cop to write out a full report in detail about how far from the sign you were as well as every other detail of the event, and also say you want them to have the cop show all of his paperwork certifiing him to use that speed gun properly.
75% of the time, the cop will just say screw that, and they will drop it.
08-05-2006, 09:35 AM
ok i had the same thing happen couple years ago. i was drivin home one day and i went up this huge bridge (decent incline) going 35 (speed limit) in 4th gear mind u. the cop said i went 59 up the hill. i went to the judge and explained that his reference points are bs cuz you can't see a fence post at night that far away, and second a FORD FOCUS can't jump from 35 to 59 in 4TH f'in gear up a damn hill. i also bitched about vascar and how bs that was i did a lot of research cuz this cop jus pissed me off. vascar is only as accurate as the person pressing the button. the cop could have hit the button too quickly and thus ur goin to fast which is BS again. i'd fight it cuz i got my points dropped (4) and money back for the ticket. plus the cop was 15 min late for the hearing lol good luck
08-05-2006, 09:55 AM
Go to defensive driving and they will dismiss the ticket minus the fees, and it wont show up on your record. You can only do this once a year so chose wisely, or you can go to court and tell them your story. Do you people have any idea how many tickets a cop writes a day? 15-20 and thats about average around here, unless you were running he/she most likely wont show up to court 15-20 times a day. Be cool and tactful and explain your case you may be surprised.
08-05-2006, 10:09 AM
Look, being a police officer, this is what you do:
Go back and get pictures of where the officer listed the offense as occuring.
Get pictures of where the speed limit sign is in relation to that spot.
Challenge it in court. In Illinois, if you challenge in court, the officer is required to be available for his court dates.
At that point, a "jury" will hear your case out. Usually it's the hearing officer and the cop needs to prove why he gave you that ticket. Also, seeing that it's under 10 over, it may just get tossed. Relax.
08-05-2006, 10:29 AM
A lot of these suggestions are on things that vary by state. In many states, civil matters (and tickets are considered this in many) go straight to a judge. He makes the call. Some are a-holes, some are decent.
Also, in some states you won't get a point unless it's over a certain MPH over the limit. In Delaware the ticket has to be 14 MPH over in order to get a point on your insurance. They also have a program that if you DO get a point, watching a few videos get the point dropped (not defensive driving).
In some states, simply disputing it gets it cancelled, in others, they will be hard asses on you thinking your're a trouble-maker. (Ask around for people in your area who HAVE challenged tickets.) It depends on whether it was local, county, or state. A ticket from a local or county police is more likely to be upheld.
Definitely get pictures/detailed maps of the scene if you plan to challenge it! It won't hurt to try to figure out the grade on the hill you said you were going down!
The idea of asking for all the paperwork from the cop is a good one though! They really don't have time to be bothered with defending a ticket!
And yeah, you're a young guy.. a point will hurt you more than it would us older folks. :-) If you have a close enough relationship with your insurance agent, call them up and ask for advice. Agents are often very helpful and would tell you your best route without putting anything on the books. (But DON'T call customer service if you deal directly with the company!)
Good luck, though!
08-05-2006, 10:55 AM
so guys, is it too late to fight a ticket after points have been assigned to your license?
I could care less about cost, I just cant't afford the points. Any Michigan cops on here? (besides tbrown410).
If i go to traffic school, will they be erased?
Thanks for all the help guys. The more I think about it, the more I believe I can fight it.
The picture idea is good. I'll def. take a picture. I might even request the paperwork too. I'm going to ask a friend of mine from work (judge, or close enough to it) to see what she says I can do. Hell I might be able to have her help get it dropped. Works for me.
08-05-2006, 04:04 PM
I wiggled out of a similar ticket. I was unfamiliar with the area had passed through a lower speed zone. Was within sight of a 55mph sign. The officer commented on my demeanor when telling the judge about the incident. The judge forgave the ticket. Sorta put me on probation. Said if he saw me agin in his courtroom w/in 6 months I pay for both tickets.
If you can claim you weren't familar with the locality and saw the sign and thought you were in the 35 mph zone it may help.
Hopefully you were respectful to the officer when the incident occurred. I think that will play in your favor.
Everybody should remember these guys are doing their job. If you give them a hard time I doubt the judge will be very lenient.
08-05-2006, 08:24 PM
I agree with some of what was said each of us are saying our own states laws. Here is Ohio (yes I am a cop sorry) 45 mph of more points are accesed. The speed limit does start at the sign I will admit being that close to the sign and the speeds indicated unless you were being a d**k I would not have wrote. Also here defensive driving is not something given or offered to get out of a ticket. They usually only mandate juvileniles to go to that. Also we have a judge or magistrate hear the case. And finanally here there would not be any paper work to ask for. The copy of the ticket is all. We keep a log but thay only shows what we were doing at a certain time. But like I said that is here in Ohio beter off doing research in your own state on these issues brought up.
08-05-2006, 08:33 PM
same thing happened to me a while back. gave me a ticket for 35 in a 25. my uncles a cop so he fixed it(got it reduced to a seat belt), but he said that i couldve fought it b/c if the sign was in view than that would b the speed limit.
08-05-2006, 09:32 PM
Always, Always fight your ticket!
Remember your rights!
You have the right to a speedy trial(unless you waive that right)
If you do not get a court date in (i believe) 45 days or your court date is delayed...your ticket will have to be dismissed. Not likely to happen but possible.
You have the right to face your accuser....in this case the ticketing officer(s).
If you cannot face your accuser under any circumstances your ticket will have to be dismissed....but yes it is ok if the officer is late, or court date changed because officer is busy. This is also unlikely to happen but possible. You can also cross examine the accuser in court.
The right to remain silent.
In case you are ever pulled over again (a little late now, sorry) for something remember your right to remain silent. The officer will ask you 'do you know what I pulled you over for?" "do you know how fast you were going' ect...These questions have a disticnt purpose, to use your answers against you in court! So for example if you admitted to speeding or gave an obvious lie as an answer it will bite you in the ass later on.
Keep in mind you only have these rights in most states, not all. Most tickets are called infractions which gives you the above rights but some states have gotten tricky and charge you differently.
Didnt win your court case? Still angry about those upped insurance rate? Get revenge!
Appeal your ticket to a higher court! Dont expect your ticket to dismissed, it probably wont. But the time and processing the state spends prosecuting you for your ticket will most likely cost the state more money than what your fine is you pay the state!!! Mu, hahahaha!!!!
you can be a wimp and try to get a plea bargain...aka you agree to plead guility for a smaller fine...
ALL the info you need to fight a ticket is here: http://www.motorists.org/issues/tickets/ticket_fighting_info_strategies.html
08-06-2006, 12:10 PM
Again, not true in all cases. I believe MA you can have your court date within 60 days maybe. And your officer need NOT be present, in fact they rarely are.
You stand in line, go into a room with a judge (I believe) and an officer of the court (not the Highway Patrolman or whoever got ya). You make your case to him (or her), they decide to believe you or not, drop the ticket, reduce it, or do nothing. You go along your merry way.
Usually the entire day is wasted because the line takes so long. But it can work out if the judge is in a good mood, or you're pleasant, or you're just lucky and have an arguable case. I'd argue yours, argue being the wrong word of course[:)~] Gently and respectfully plea for your case perhaps?
08-06-2006, 12:21 PM
dude, just take it to court. You'll likey get off with just an impeding traffic fine especially if it is your first ticket. You should always try to take it to court. I think the officer only needs to be present if you plead not guilty to speeding.
08-06-2006, 01:04 PM
Check the law in your municipality - they vary as to when the posted speed takes effect when one zone changes to another. If you were that close, you may fall into the effective zone of the 35 area.