I'm thinking about getting one of the xiosmotorworks turbo kits. Does anyone have any experience with any of their systems? Thanks.

Look into the Roush turbo kit , In my opinion it is a better kit

Tom

...? Hey Tom, what happened to the HIBOOST kit.... Roush or Hiboost ?? Same kit??

I dont think the hiboost is for the zetec. Although it does look like a real nice kit.

From what I have heard/read, the XIOS isnt ready to be released yet. I could be wrong though.

I was browsing the Xios website yesterday and they have 3 different stages available right now, and the price ranges are good. I like this kit because you can keep your stock emissions equipment in place which means no last minute rigging to pass emissions testing. The bad thing about the Roush kit...it doesn't fit my 2.3 NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Better luck next time...

i think the only kit that is waiting to be released is the svt kit, the header for it looks like it's shorty header that has been modified.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e158/svtguy17/svt-manifold-004.jpg

If you run the CAT with an AF of between 11.6 and 12.0 you will be buying MANY CATs every year this much fuel going through a CAT is insane dont even try it you could stop up the CAT and loose an engine from it

Tom

Originally posted by Damage
I dont think the hiboost is for the zetec. Although it does look like a real nice kit.

Looking at FocusTuner27's sig, he has a 2.3...

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
If you run the CAT with an AF of between 11.6 and 12.0 you will be buying MANY CATs every year this much fuel going through a CAT is insane dont even try it you could stop up the CAT and loose an engine from it

Tom



Do you think that with a good tune it would be a problem?

I just hate the thought of having to switch over a bunch of things to pass emissions . I'm sure I could think of a "quick and easy" way to pass. Buuuuuuut, then that defeats the purpose and convenience of having a smog legal turbo setup. Still, the upsides of the Xios kit are that it removes the need for a turbo manifold and seems to make life a little easier when making adjustments to pass emissions. I'm thinking I could run a race header and straight pipe normally and when emissions rolls around I could put a CAT in place for temporary compliance, then I don't have to worry about CAT, and possible turbo, failure

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
If you run the CAT with an AF of between 11.6 and 12.0 you will be buying MANY CATs every year this much fuel going through a CAT is insane dont even try it you could stop up the CAT and loose an engine from it Tom

Man you got to love when this happens , This found its way to FJ and like allways they dont have the good sence or balls to just post here , If they did i wouldnt bash on them so much but sence they feel they have to make there sly comments where i cannot post here it goes, First to randys he states "

Originally posted by FocusSportVP on FJ
I don't think I believe that having 11.6 - 12.0 A/F will cause cats to die early. I run a cat on my 1.8T and it's been fine for years with low to mid 11s A/F ratio.[/B]

Randy first you have to make enough power to cause a rich condition and one that makes enough power for it to work on the CAT , I cannot beleive you made this statement ? ? ?

Then dudly posted

[i]Originally posted Dudly on FJ [/i

I read Tom's post over on FF regarding the cat. I considered replying to ask how exactly a failed cat would kill the engine

Keep in mind that for a street-driven car, you'll spend 99% of your time at a stoichiometric AFR. My AFR dips into the 10's at some spots (I'm planning a complete re-do of my intake system, so I haven't bothered to dial-in my MAF perfectly), and my cat is just fine. I've only got about 11,000 miles on my XIOS kit, though.

In general, constant WOT is bad for the cat. It doesn't matter if you're running turbo, supercharger, or naturally aspirated. The only way to keep WOT operation cat-friendly would be to run one hell of a goofy tune, i.e. you'd want a stoichiometric AFR at WOT. I have no idea what that would do to the timing you'd need to run, or if it's even possible to run a Focus within all those contraints. As you pull timing (because of the lean WOT AFR), your EGT's will become a problem at some point, so you'll either melt the cat from excessive fuel or you'll melt the cat from insanely high EGT's. Personally, I'd rather melt the cat from excessive fuel, since high EGT's will kill the engine.

I don't see how running a cat with the XIOS kit will put the engine at risk - the turbo will be at risk, though. If the cat fails, you'll damage the turbine, but even if you did so much damage to the turbo that the compressor side somehow threw out some shrapnel, the debris wouldn't get past the intercooler.

Maybe a clogged/failed cat will damage the engine in some way - I dunno.

Bottom line is that if you want the absolute best safety, just install a race header or off-road pipe (or use a gutted cat)..[/B]

Its ashame that Dudly knows more then (randy)FS does when it comes to CATs and what causes WOT does to CAT and why CATs can fail

Dudly is correct at WOT the AF goes way up with boost as well as the EGT this combination works hard on the CAT and will cause it to die early. Now i dodnt know about the rest of you but i installed my turbo to got WOT , if your installing a turbo just to cruise then you will get about 80,000 miles out of your CAT , doing with your car what a turbo is added for you will see much much less

Am i bashing on randy YES I AM when a person makes statements about things like he does and claimes to be a tuner yet does not know the effects of his tune has on engines then it makes all tuners look bad

Dudly brought up another point a NA car will not see the same damage to the CAT because it runs in the 12.8 to 13.2 AF and the CAT can deal with keeping this burned off as well as the EGTs are lower with NA

How can a CAT kill an engine ? As the CAT starts going bad in most cases it starts to stop up as you use boost the back psi grows MUCH more then with NA this back PSI causes even higher EGT and can burn a valve or a piston as the EGT increase

Dudly your only hurting the focus community by not posting here at FF your welcome here any time , why cant you post at both ?

Tom

Originally posted by finalley
Looking at FocusTuner27's sig, he has a 2.3...

LOL, great catch! While an interesting read on the effects of A/F ratio on catalytic converters, what really needs to be addressed next is making sure the OP knows what he has under the hood and what his correct options are [:)]

Thanks for the info Tom. There's a small part of me thinking that it would be good to go with Cosworth D-Power kits or piece together an all motor build being that NA is easier on the engine...but, there's just something about being able to say, "...yeah, it's a trubo", that's just..cool. Btw, I hope this post isn't starting a forum war [chair]

Originally posted by jr_psychologist
LOL, great catch! While an interesting read on the effects of A/F ratio on catalytic converters, what really needs to be addressed next is making sure the OP knows what he has under the hood and what his correct options are [:)]

I was under the impression from Xios that the kit was compatible with the 2.3, I am sending them an email now though to check on this...hoping that maybe if the wasn't compatible, that it magically will be now...just because I emailed them.

Originally posted by FocusTuner27
yeah, it's a trubo", that's just..cool. Btw, I hope this post isn't starting a forum war [chair]

Oh no, it was started LOONG before your 15 posts.....[eek]

whats sad.. after hanging out here a few weeks.. I wouldn't do buisness with Tom or Focus sport. hate if you must, but get over it guys, and move the hell on...

wow scorticus, considering that both randy and tom are on top in our world of the focus thats a bold statement, and bad blood is bad blood and your 17 post isn't gonna do shit to fix it

worst that can happen is they throw me off..

I've tried to read and learn from several posts here that turned into pissing contests between FS and FP.

I'll just buy my pro racer package elsewhere and maybe do my learning elsewhere if I have to.
funny I quit going to the zx2 board over immaturity.. but this make that look like nothing.
I really wanted to read about alc/water injection, but that post was ruined, and locked.
2 guesses why...

All I want is the info with out the whole my company is better than yours drama...

so yeah.... about being mature...


anyway, I don't recommend the XIOS. Turbo is too far from the engine, working on it under the intake manifold wouldn't be fun. Post cat turbo sounds dangerous too, what if your cat goes bad and therefore your turbo does too.

Originally posted by Scorticus
All I want is the info with out the whole my company is better than yours drama...

I dont remember saying anything about my Co. being better , Im guessing your the type that had rather not be informed about everything ? You would rather have some one in the position that randy is in give false or poor information and no one say anything at all so that the ones that dont know he said something wrong think it is correct information and go forward and tear something up , is my assumption correct ?

If that is correct then FJ is the place for you to be

If it is false or bad information and it is said here or is said about something i have said , I will post it and correct it , to me that is what a forum is for

Like you said you came here to get information , Im sure you didnt come here to get incorrect information

Tom

Actually, some of the best info. I've recieved has been from Tom and Randy discussing different topics. That's how good parts and tuning are developed and how people like us learn more...by competition. No one wants to be 2nd best so each player steps it up to the next level. Naturally, when that happens you're going to have people butting heads every now and then....but that's also what makes it fun..sometimes, LOL [;)]

On another note, the Xios kit isn't compatible with the 2.3 so no luck there. The point has also been brought up about the CAT going bad and taking out the turbo. Yes, that's true. If the CAT does go bad it can cause turbo failure, so you have to keep a close watch the condition of the CAT. Change of pace now, I've been looking at the Hi Boost kit but also I've been thinking about a supercharger. Since I started out with V8 Mustangs and am now trying to sell a 305 Camaro that I had as a 383 stroker project, I'm used to having lots of torque right out of the hole, and I really miss that with the 2.3 not pulling strong unitl around 3500 rpm. A turbo wouldn't really fix that problem too much either, at least I don't think that it would with me only running 8psi like I'm planning. But, a supercharger at 8psi should give me plenty of the low end torque and power that I'm used to, at least I'm hoping. But like I said, I'm still shopping for the right application for me. I love the 1320 and road course, but I've found my way to SCCA's website a couple of times lately, hence the consideration of a supercharger. However, I tend to do A LOT more highway and back roads driving with lots of passing other cars than stop and go city driving. So at this point I'm still trying to figure out a few things. See, see...this is why I don't buy things on a whim, because I always change my mind 50 times before I decide on something. And let me tell you, 3-$4,000 is a lot to spend to change your mind in 2 months [;)] So let's keep the info coming, because I'm definately going to be browsing the FI treads, especially the super vs. turbo charging threads. Thanks all!

P.S. No one ever said, "My company is better than yours" [:)]

And so everyone knows what my goals are....200whp. I have a good feeling that this won't be happening on 8psi though..more like 12psi. Remarks??

Originally posted by Scorticus
[B]worst that can happen is they throw me off..



]

...no doubt for whinning ... or making statements like you have when you might be asking questions instead...

Originally posted by FocusTuner27
And so everyone knows what my goals are....200whp. I have a good feeling that this won't be happening on 8psi though..more like 12psi. Remarks??

As far as I know, all the 2.0 duratec guys running the FS stage 1 kit are at least in the 190whp range. The 2.3 guys are 200+whp for sure. This is at 8 psi [thumb] Whether you want the extra power or not, I wouldn't really like the idea of running non-cooled boost, so get something with an intercooler and turn the boost down with a boost controller if you don't want that much power. Several customer dyno plots are on their website.

I believe the HiBoost kit puts you in the 220 whp range as well and is intercooled.

I'm Dudley over on fj. I stopped posting here two years ago when some kid insisted that double-declutching makes me a ricer. Plus it's just too much of a PITA keeping up with two different Focus forums. Even with all the mods I've made to my Focus, I still don't consider myself to be a "car guy" - I'm just a geek who wanted his Focus to have more power.

I’ve been running the XIOS kit since December 2004. I don’t drive much, so I’ve only put about 11,000 miles on the kit, but it has worked perfectly about 99.99% of the time. The ONLY problem I’ve had with the kit is that my turboXS bypass valve has seized in the open position exactly two times. The current XIOS kit ships with a Bosch bypass valve, IIRC – my kit differs from the “final version” a bit because I was XIOS’s first customer after they bought the design rights from Corky Bell.

For me, this kit has been a simple bolt-on. Installation is a bit of a fiddle because the turbo is a tight fit, but once it’s installed it makes for a very clean and compact package. I have had no fitment or heat-related issues at all.

The XIOS kit is obviously a compromise between all-out performance and emissions friendliness. For my purposes, it’s a great kit. If CARB compliance is of no concern, then a more conventional turbo location would be my choice, but as far as I know, the XIOS kit is still the only Zetec turbo kit that meets my requirements:

Retention of the stock cat
Intercooling
Dual ball bearing, water-cooled turbo
Compressor bypass/blowoff valve
Retention of the car’s air conditioning and cruise control systems

The Roush kit almost fits the bill, but last I heard the Roush kit uses a dry journal-bearing turbo. I really want a wet center section and ball bearings, but I suppose a Roush kit with a modified turbo might meet my needs.

My only concern with my XIOS kit is the damage that would be done if the cat were to fail. For emissions testing purposes, it’s pretty easy to swap out an offroad pipe once a year, but I haven’t even bothered to do that. That is, I’ve had my stock cat in place the entire time that my XIOS kit has been on the car.

I don’t see the semi-remote turbo location as a big problem. I’m sure it’s costing me some responsiveness at low rpm, but at anything over 3,000 rpm’s I doubt I would notice the difference vs. a more conventional turbo location. Again, though, this kit is a compromise. It’s not going to be the absolute best-performing kit out there, but it does offer a very good bang/buck ratio, and it includes all the hardware that, IMO, a turbo kit should include.

I'm in the process of re-assembling my car (I'm having the tranny rebuilt), so I'll be updating my fj write-up at some point. Up until now, I've only been boosting about 6.5 psi. Once I get my car back together and re-design my intake, I plan to raise the boost into double digits. Even at just 6.5 psi, though, it feels like a whole different car.

Originally posted by finalley
...no doubt for whinning ... or making statements like you have when you might be asking questions instead...

I would have asked questions on alc/water inj. but it got locked.

if we could get facts from FP and FS with out it becoming a matter of who's man hood is at stake. And I may be wrong, but it's hard to risk my prize posession (my Z) to someone I don't completely trust to do a good job with her.

the honest truth is none of these tuners can actually tune your car for boost with out your car being there on thier dyno. simply stated I have a hard time believing either of you care about getting me the best product, when it seems so obviously about who's been at it longer, not about who's going toget me the most out of my car in the safest manner.

enough thread jack, I do apologize for losing it on this forum. it was not the best course of action, and probably should have been a PM..

I understand what your saying , But like i said if it is misinformation i am going to step up and make statements about whats wrong with what was said and correct the misinformation BECAUSE i do care about "simply stated I have a hard time believing either of you care about getting me the best product, in the safest manner. "

To me safety comes first HP comes second FS isnt in the mix

Tom