You can only vote if you have driven both of them!!!!!!!


FORD FOCUS SVT!!!!!!!

Which generation of Civic Si? And what are we voting for exactly? Which one we like better?

performance only or looks?

I have driven both, and I still pick the SVTF, the only thing is when I drove the SVTF, the salesman didn't tell me where Reverse was, so I had to figure it out for myself he just threw me the keys and said have fun so I did.

I've driven both and I'm not impressed with the SI but I haven't driven one of the new SI's.

i think the only car reasonable to compare to the svtf is the new si, i haven't drove the new si so i won't vote

haven't driven the new si, but the car is like a bulletin board for car thieves.[paranoid]

I drove the new 06' SI and I was impressed. 8000 rpm redline, nice short ratio shifter, tight suspension, and a pretty cool interior, including nicely bolstered seats. At 197 HP from the factory you could easily squeeze more power out of it. For all of you "Honda haters" this is a really nice ride. I'm not going to trade my SVT in for one, but starting at around 20k this is a cool ride that comes packaged quite well...

you know who drive's a civic SI.... EVERYBODY!
this should be a no brainer

The only Civic Si I have ever driven was the original one from 1986, so I guess I don't get to vote. [hihi] It was a tremendously fun little car but obviously it can't compete with the SVTF.

The new '06 Si is a very nice car. Haven't had a chance to drive one yet, though, only sit inside and kick the tires a little bit. Liked the shifter action, and the seats were nice too. The double-layer dash is weird IMO, but maybe you get used to it. [dunno]

i drove the new si and i hated it. cheap looking interior. i think the interior just looks like crap. the seats look cheap. the tailend looks like crap and the thing is just plain slow. the car weighs 3000lbs. now the rsx is another story

It's true the SVTF is a unique ride. That's one of the reasons I bought mine, as well as performance. My son drives a modded 97' Acura Integra and it still performs flawlessly. There is a reason that Honda is on top in sales and resale. Like it or not they are quality vehicles and in many ways out perform many of their american counter parts. /\ /\ Oh, and the curb weight is 2877# not 3000#. That being said, I totally love my SVTF...Originally posted by malconsSVT
you know who drive's a civic SI.... EVERYBODY!
this should be a no brainer

I looked at the SI and the SVTF around Oct/Nov 2003. That means I looked at the "Fuddy Duddy" SI and not the "cool" 99-2000, 2006 one. That said, I couldn't get along with:

The center console (pushed in my leg like it was a SUV)
15" wheels
5-speed transmission

The comfort factor was the deal breaker, I didn't vote because I never drove one, I was just too uncomfortable from the get-go.

In retrospect, here's my observations:

1. Park a SVTF next to a pre-2006 SI and it is really pretty amazing how similar the two cars are.

2. I probably wouldn't be so familiar with such rental cars as the : Aveo, Aerio, Cavalier, Neon, etc.

3. My re-sale would be considerably higher.

That said, my SVTF is still a hoot. I've got the hypnotic tune ($350) a STS ($80) and the rear-engine mount $100. For approximately $500 extra I have a wicked fun car lots of luxury stuff that wasn't available on the SI, RSX etc. Sure I'll get "unpimped" if I go up against a 2006 GTI, I'll get out-run by a SI in a straight up race. On the other hand, my car is civilized, it's MINE, it's unique and it's kinda cool driving a car you have to work at to keep up with all the other lazy cruisers. SVTF, love hate thing. SI: not sure.

I'm biased...lol

I actually test drove a 2003 SI alongside the SVT when I was car shopping. From a practical standpoint, this is the generation that compares with the SVT, given their comparative values, nobody's paying $20k for an SVT anymore.

I liked the SI; there were a few things I really liked about it. I thought the seats were head and shoulders above the SVT's, a little wide but excellent. The rest of the interior just felt, not just better, an entire vehicle class nicer, firmer, more expensive. (Exception to this was the centre console, the silver paint was starting to wear thru on the edges. Some had noted the HVAC and radio controls felt too distant, I didn't notice that.)

Shifter position, I dont know why anybody ever complained about it, I thought it was awesome. The shifter itself, however, had a REALLY light action. I'd always heard Hondas had some of the best shifters in the business, I wasn't that impressed tho, it was a little sloppy and way too light.

I didn't like the steering wheel, it felt too small and too fat. I also wasn't a huge fan of the steering, it was a little too light, but so is the SVT's.

AC was better in the Honda, it also had a sunroof. Tires were 15" VIP-special Firestone crap, wrapped around underwhelming 15" wheels. Not a big deal, given the price of good rims and tires. With shoes to match the SVT, handing would come way up, I'm sure.

The engine was completely without character. It sounded like an electric motor; completely smooth, bland, quiet, isolated. The saleswoman was kind of a pain, and I did not get a chance to really wind the engine out. I never, how is it they so eloquently put it, "H1T VTEC!!1", and was therefor not able to "PWN" all other vehicles in a 5 mile radius.

Sorry, couldn't help myself [:D]

I did like the gearing, it was ridiculously tight, it'd probably be a pain on the highway tho.

Overall, I might have bought the car. Price was similar, it was similarly warrantied, I could fix the wheels and tires. I didn't because it looked like it was going to be even more to insure, it was in 2 hours farther away than the SVT was, the dealership sucked, and it was completely devoid of character in the same areas where the SVT shined.

EDIT: Lemme sum that up to actually answer the question: You only live once, and for that reason I suggest owning the SVT. It is simply more fun, at least out of the box. That said, if the SVT exploded and my insurers cut me a check for $15-whatever-grand, and I could get a good deal on the SI, I might well do it. I'd also test a 99-2000 SI, they were quicker and still nice looking.

i think the thread starter's talking about the new SI

i think the thread starter is talking about the new SI


*sorry for the double post, my computer's acting up! [?|] a mod can delete it

^^ Yeah, that could be the case. I would've changed my post based on that, I assumed this was from a prospective purshase scanario, and a 2004 SVT and 2006 SI go for significantly different cash.

New SI and the SVT is quite a lot like the SVT and a same-year RSX-S, for obvious reasons, and those can really tear us a new one in most measures of performance. SVT will probably (maybe?) outhandle either an RSX-S or a new SI, but not by a huge margin.

Cant compare the new Si, its just not fair to do. Now if you want to compare the two from the same years, SVT wins most of the catigories. Just search Sport Compact for their 02 SVT, Si, GTi Spec v challenge. I think the only challenges that the SVT won was the fun to drive and twisties challenge, but it got 1st overall cuz it came in like 2nd or 3rd on almost everything.

(read this like 3years ago so dont remember everything)
+how many Si do u see daily?
[???:)]

I've got a 04 SVT. I had a 99 Si. The Si was a great little car. And when the cam advances the sound is incredible. But I don't think the 2 cars are that much alike. The SVT is much more solid feeling, I think it handles way better. I know it's way faster. The SVT is just a better put together car.

I don't know what to say about the new Si. I'm sure it's a hoot to drive and I'm pretty sure it's faster than the SVT. If faster is all your looking for then the Si is for you. It would really have to show me something for it to be a better car.

My son went to the International Car Show in Oklahoma City and says they had a new SVT there. I haven't been keeping up but is there a new SVT in the works?

for more information see reply #9

no SVT for the focus. prolly saw the gt500!! [thumb]

I think the new si looks like a nice car, it has alot of power, good fuel economy, good deal for the money. imo

[:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]* Honda.......................SVT [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]........

Originally posted by FuryFocus
Cant compare the new Si, its just not fair to do. Now if you want to compare the two from the same years, SVT wins most of the catigories.[???:)]

^^^^
This is 100% the right answer.[thumb]

The best thing about the 02 Si I drove was the seats. Wasn't impressed with the engine at all.

^ yea the hatchback models drove so foreign to me..i didnt even feel like i was a part of the car..when i shifted it barked but my head never jerked like it does in my car...i saw a new si run a 14.8 at the track and was quite impressed, but my biggest complaint with them is the lack of torque, you dont "feel" like your going fast, but the rpm's tell you that you are..in my car, i feel the acceleration, i dont like waitin for vtec [thumb]

My friend is looking for a new SI right now and he told me he can't find one for much under $30,000. That to me seals the deal. I'm sure it will go down eventually, but that's ridiculous. Think of the SVT you could have for $30,000.

The SVTF is an awesome and fun ride, but for reliability and aftermarket reasons, I'd go with the '06 si

The new SI has like 130-140 ft-lbs of tq! Thats the same as the SVT at the wheels basically. HP sells on Sunday, tq wins the race on mondays. SVT hands down.

the si has 139 tq and like 30 more hp..that sells it for me..and they are selling for 23,5 out the door where i am..i like the interior a lot and they have LSD and a higher redline, k20 is an AWESOME motor..SI hands down



the SI felt a LOT faster to me than my friends 03 SVT, i like my focus, but the SI is better (06')

i drive a ford focus and i work at Honda dealership. i dont know what to think... lolz

But the new SI just sounds soOo nice!!! I mean, have yall head it??

id trade my SVTF if i wasnt so upside down in my loan. i have driven the new SI, and i absolutely love it. new age styling and the motor is damn good. and like previously mentioned, you cant beat the reliablity of a Honda. c'mon, how many times have you taken you SVTF to the stealership?

yeah, the Si is kinda cute... and kinda fun. but not that much fun. speaking of course of the hatchback generation... haven't yet had the blessing of trying out the sedan. but the hb is more comparable anyway... seriously though, 195's on 15's stock? and the 5 speed coming from the dash is pleasantly unusual, but i didn't like the feel that much. and having 1/4" of clutch play doesn't work so well unless you street race everywhere you go. i'll respect 'em, but only in hindsight... paha.

If Ford decided to keep SVT running, and came out with a 2007 SVTf hatchback or 2 door coupe to match the 2007 Honda Civic SI model, I can almost guarantee the SVT would be as popular, or maybe even more popular than the SI. But since ford is retarded, and we all know this, the new model SI is by a pretty good margin, a better car. My recaro's and HID's are nice, but I don't thikn they're enough to pit me against a new SI. It's not even a very fair comparison. But just like Scrammer, if I wasn't bassackwards in my SVT loan and i had some decent assets creating money for me, Sure I'de trade my SVT in for an SI in a heartbeat!

Hatchback -- ehhh...was never too impressed. Too much of an economy car.

99-00 model -- Always liked 'em...actually almost bought one but it was WAY overpriced due to it's "rarity"

It really isnt fair to compare the new one to the SVTF. Hands down, the Si wins in every category. Now if its the hatchie version, that one was horrible. Should have never been called an Si

yah it should have been an LX/EX hatchback model instead. Oh well, it's in the past.

Anyways, the SVT does win when it comes to Recaro seats and HID's, but I can't think of much else. The SVT handles the backroads like a friggin monster, but the SI does...and better. it's not fair [:(]

I love both cars but the svt wins out. Cant beat the price for what you get..

I have driven both, and I still pick the SVTF, the only thing is when I drove the SVTF, the salesman didn't tell me where Reverse was, so I had to figure it out for myself he just threw me the keys and said have fun so I did.

??????? dosn't it have a "R" on the shifter????????[boxface]

i drove the new si and i hated it. cheap looking interior. i think the interior just looks like crap. the seats look cheap. the tailend looks like crap and the thing is just plain slow. the car weighs 3000lbs. now the rsx is another story



This is EXACTLY what I mean. Call me a troll all you want, but I find it incredibly ironic (coming from a focus owner) that it..

1) has a crappy interior. I literally broke a button on an SVT that I test-drove because they are just cheap plasticy buttons.

2) Interior looks like crap. I cant say this isnt true, we all have our own opinions. I happen to personally like it, and you might too if you actually drove it instead of just seeing pictures of it.

3) Plain slow? Stock it will out-handle any focus you can get here. In fact, it would take quite a bit of modding for an svt or st to take on an SI w/out FI. 30ish HP doesnt come that easily.

4) Heavy? My SI handles flawlessly, thanks. Doesnt exactly feel like Im meneuvring a tank around.

Im sorry, but you just cant bash a honda for those things when you drive a focus. Honda engineers are just too.. good.

Let me just say I think this is gonna end in a BAD way with a possible visit from teh Ban Hamsters if you all dont play nice!

http://myspacecomedy.com/images/funny/ban-hamster.jpg

i think he's talking about the last-gen si. Because that one was pretty darn slow. Basically the same output numbers but in a heavier body. The ONLY thing I liked about that was the shifter, I thought it was very odd until I got in one and played with it. But I dont even really like them from the outside, it was just an odd move they made. Im pretty happy that american Honda got the reigns this time in the developement of the new Si.

opinions opinions opinions...
its no doubt the 06-07 si will outperform a car that was built to compete with its predecessor. that being said you wont be able to find a new si for less than 25 while a svt can be had for about 10-14 depending on region. Ive never driven a new si but i know the k20 has loads of potential and i own a svt and love modding it.

would i buy a new si? no.
would i drive one if it was given to me? sure.
Would i trade it for an SVT? prob not

you wont be able to find a new si for less than 25
i got my Si with summer tires for 22,486 out the door

Wow the results of this poll I could have easily guess. Being said, if I was buying new, I would buy an Si...please dont kill me

I'd buy a Honda Si if there wasnt so many of them on the road. More power, better engineering, Nice quality set-up inside and out. But I love my rare SVT no matter how little power it has compared to the recent modern day pocket rockets. (STI, EVO, SRT-4, Si, RSX-S, GTI/GLI, MazdaSpeed 3 and Coblat SS Supercharged) If I had a Supercharger I would never complain! EVER!

This is EXACTLY what I mean. Call me a troll all you want, but I find it incredibly ironic (coming from a focus owner) that it..

1) has a crappy interior. I literally broke a button on an SVT that I test-drove because they are just cheap plasticy buttons.

2) Interior looks like crap. I cant say this isnt true, we all have our own opinions. I happen to personally like it, and you might too if you actually drove it instead of just seeing pictures of it.

3) Plain slow? Stock it will out-handle any focus you can get here. In fact, it would take quite a bit of modding for an svt or st to take on an SI w/out FI. 30ish HP doesnt come that easily.

4) Heavy? My SI handles flawlessly, thanks. Doesnt exactly feel like Im meneuvring a tank around.


Dude no offense cause I did like you, but ALL you do is bash focus' and say how great the Si is and why focus' are inferior. You broke a plastic knob? How did you manage that? Ive had mine for 2.5 years and never broke anything in my car. What is an Si's knobs made of? Billet aluminum? gold? Ivory?

Im sorry, but you just cant bash a honda for those things when you drive a focus. Honda engineers are just too.. good

Im sorry but this just kills it for me. Honda engineers did a great job with the Si no doubt, but you say it like they designed the greatest thing to ever have 4cylinders and 4 wheels. Seriously man, you contribute nothing positive here. While you may have good intentions, like I said all I've seen you do is bash Focus'. I share alot of your opinions on Honda's, I love them. But you are coming onto a focus forum, where obviously people are as defensive about thier cars as honda people and bashing them. Thats just not cool. Is the Si a better car? Yes and no, its all subjective so stop trying to push your damn opinion onto people.

Prepping for battle!!

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Ok I'm done now.

Feeding the hampster a juicy appetizer right now...... [;)]

Chad now he's gonna get fat, too much junk food is bad go work it off hampster.

http://sopadj1.netsons.org/gallery/gal/funny/hamster.jpg

Ok thats for real the last off topic post of mine in this thread. LOL

I think the ban hamsters are more awesome and relevant to our lives than any other posts in this thread. Hell yeah, rodentia!

this thread is still open....wow. And wow this one is going to get locked too, what a surprise.

And yea, i think the Si being compared to the svt in this thread is the pre 06 version, since you cant really compare the newer one to the svt b/c there is no 06 svt.

I agree that you can not compare the new Si to a 02-04 SVT focus. The Si that was built to compete with the SVT got it's ass handed to it. As far as the interior , no Civic Si compares to the EAP. FYI in other countries that have both the "New' Si and the "New" Focus ST, well the new Civic gets its ass kicked once again.

So, as usual, we just don't get the hot focus here in the US of A...grrrrrrrrr. next

Let me just say I think this is gonna end in a BAD way with a possible visit from teh Ban Hamsters if you all dont play nice!

http://myspacecomedy.com/images/funny/ban-hamster.jpg

Looks like the ban hamster made a appearance and took someone with him.[:D] BWAHHAHAHA[deviltail]

^^ hmmmm wonder who? [:D]

Ban hamster's been bizzy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v160/b3passatBMX/sickSi.jpg

[pray]

Sorry for the haters but this car is amazing.

^^ The biggest windshield in the world.

We still can have fun rigth? [:p]

Honda will never beat the Focus exterior.Not to mention they don't do hatch anymore.[hihi]


;)

^^ The biggest windshield in the world.

We still can have fun rigth? [:p]

Honda will never beat the Focus exterior.Not to mention they don't do hatch anymore.[hihi]


;)

1. ever seen a chevy lumina van windshield?

2. Subjective, your opinion isnt fact

3. Yea I agree. Honda needs a hot hatch. A new civic Si hatch would be amazing.

doesnt Honda have a hatch over in Europe? Civic R....or was that new one just a concept.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v160/b3passatBMX/sickSi.jpg

[pray]

Sorry for the haters but this car is amazing.

That's a sweet looking SI.


And yes, there is a honda type R which is a hatchback. It is ugly imo!

doesnt Honda have a hatch over in Europe? Civic R....or was that new one just a concept.

Just a concept.

The Large windshield is to compensate for the 12" wide sort of color matching window banner most will be putting on the car.

^^ hmmmm wonder who? [:D]

Are you guys updating the YOU KNOW WHAT thread in the YOU KNOW WHAT forum?

B/c I have no damn clue who you are talking about.

The Large windshield is to compensate for the 12" wide sort of color matching window banner most will be putting on the car.

Hah, nice.

The 8th gen Civic hatchback's styling is, um, polarizing I would say. It's angled and edgy to such an extent it makes a gen1 Focus hatch look like a Taurus. I think it was 5th Gear, when they reviewed it they said something along the lines of "Honda must have designed it specifically to scare old people." I personally like it, but design trends are going really conservative here.

Oh perfect example of my statement is that WHITE SI in back, a foot long banner and still enough room to see.

Works JUST right.

lol...never been a huge fan of banners. I think they were talkin about numba1stunna..he gone.

^^
Yes you are correct, for some reason earlier I could not see banned under his name.

Chad, ash, update the YOU KNOW WHAT!!![;)]

I agree unless the banners are actual tint and you can see through it, it just looks stupid.

I think the lines resemble a Scion TC.

I saw a tC with a spoiler a couple days ago and I thought it was an SI until I stared at it for a few seconds..granted this was at night.

^^
Yes you are correct, for some reason earlier I could not see banned under his name.

Chad, ash, update the YOU KNOW WHAT!!![;)]

I agree unless the banners are actual tint and you can see through it, it just looks stupid.

I did![:p]

no comprendo this "YOU KNOW WHAT" business.

Its mod stuff you wouldn't understand. [:D]

Its mod stuff you wouldn't understand. [:D]

pfff..oh. Sorry. I didn't realize my puny brain wasn't powerful enough

[8] DEE DE DEEE

LOL

Its ok, most people dont understand that if we release any Moderator information on the main boards millions of people's heads will collapse and a giant black hole will open where the server is based out of.

I just can't have something like that on my conscious. [hihi]

lol. so YOU hold the key to creating darkmatter? I should'a known!!

LMAO


I can't release that information.

wwaaateeeverrr

they're all gonna laugh at you

They're All Gonna Laugh At You

Laugh Gonna You At They're All

My friend is looking for a new SI right now and he told me he can't find one for much under $30,000. That to me seals the deal. I'm sure it will go down eventually, but that's ridiculous. Think of the SVT you could have for $30,000.

The dealership in my area has em for about 22,000 without ground effects, 24000 with. But they do not deal since they sell so many.

But they do not deal since they sell so many.

they're all gonna laugh at you[hah]

well without ground effects they're all gonna laugh at you

its not that they "sell so many", cuz they dont really.. it is just that someone else will buy them without haggling.. why haggle with someone, when they can just say no and sell it later that day?

Yeeees. They need not worry over negotiating.

I drove the new 06' SI and I was impressed. 8000 rpm redline, nice short ratio shifter, tight suspension, and a pretty cool interior, including nicely bolstered seats. At 197 HP from the factory you could easily squeeze more power out of it. For all of you "Honda haters" this is a really nice ride. I'm not going to trade my SVT in for one, but starting at around 20k this is a cool ride that comes packaged quite well...

Ah...but horsepower isn't everything...

2004 Ford Focus SVT (2,750 lbs.; three-door)
170 hp @ 5,000rpm
145 ft-lbs. @ 5,500rpm

2006 Honda Civic Si Coupe (2,877 lbs.)
197 hp @ 7,800rpm
136 ft-lbs. @ 6,200rpm

Ah...but horsepower isn't everything...

2004 Ford Focus SVT (2,750 lbs.; three-door)
170 hp @ 5,000rpm
145 ft-lbs. @ 5,500rpm

2006 Honda Civic Si Coupe (2,877 lbs.)
197 hp @ 7,800rpm
136 ft-lbs. @ 6,200rpm

170 hp @ 7,000 RPMs for the SVT :)

170 hp @ 7,000 RPMs for the SVT :)

meh...it's still lower than the Civic.

[vommit] [vommit] [vommit] [vommit] [vommit] [vommit] [vommit]

(^^^There's no reason for those vomit smileys...I just like them.)

those are awesome smilies. unfort. they describe my life right now. stomach flu sucks ass!

I go SVT

My buddy just bought one, they are really nice cars, I dig the 4 door way more than the 2 door. He said my car would definately beat his though, so i think we have a chance. My car is also modded up pretty good though.

Yeha I bet your car could keep up with a stock SI. It wouldn't take much to make his car quicker, though.

of course i am going to vote SVT, i love my car.
SVT FTW!

The SVT was a nice car then. The SI is a nice car now. Our Sport Compact World is better off with both around! Take it for what its worth.

^^excellent point

Sports compacts would be boring as shit if their was no immediate competition

Didn't read all nine pages but I did drive a Black 07 SI coupe a few days ago and I gotta tell you, that was one cool ride. If the numbers pan out I'm sad to say, I will be saying my goodbyes to the ST.

Right on. They are really nice huh? Ford better start putting on the afterburner's because even the EX Civic is as fast as any '08 focus. The SI is running away with the market again

Didn't read all nine pages but I did drive a Black 07 SI coupe a few days ago and I gotta tell you, that was one cool ride. If the numbers pan out I'm sad to say, I will be saying my goodbyes to the ST.


Yup. We just said goodbye to our 05 ST last week for 07 SI. Should have done it a long time ago[thumb]

Yup. We just said goodbye to our 05 ST last week for 07 SI. Should have done it a long time ago[thumb]


I was amazed, only 21g's!! nicely loaded with a sunroof. I'm curious to know how much the dealer gave you for trade?

i drove the new si and i hated it. cheap looking interior. i think the interior just looks like crap. the seats look cheap. the tailend looks like crap and the thing is just plain slow. the car weighs 3000lbs. now the rsx is another story

The RSK is the same [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]g car.. wow. I seriously doubt you even touched this car, let alone drove it, if you drive a focus and you think the SI has a cheap interior. And the seats are sex.. they feel great, look great, and you don't slide around in them like you do in leather.

I love my SVT.. but it's no comparison to my SI.

They are a good race for me....if there modded and know to drive they keep up.

Another thread from the dead! lol

ohhh wow....dident relize this thread was so old...dont even know how I got to it...lol

I've driven a few SIs over the years and a couple of "higher-end" foci, like the SVT and an RS while overseas. And while both the SI and SVT (not even gonna bother trying to put the RS in the same class as these two mini-titans, as it obviously WAY out-classes both) are a blast to drive, especially if You get a chance to take them trackside, they aren't really comparable. Are they? I mean, can you really compare a Skyline to an STI? On a slightly lower level it's the same, rally vs. drag, it seems (to Me) is apples vs. oranges... just My opinion, so I guess I vote for both, or either depending on the track.

went to my 3rd AX with my friend's 07 SI with brakes, intake, and suspension, and my 02 wagon+modsthatmakeitasfastasansvt[shhh]

I ran faster than he did raw times, 50.97 vs 52.78. ftd was 44.8

he had a regional champ that drives a 07 civic in h stock on r-comps drive his car. definitely ran a 51.1.

SVT FTW [race]

But I did get to drive his car one time, man was that a fun ride. vtec was certainly interesting.

new si's blow id take a svtf anyday

The SI is certainly an incredible car as well as honda's Vtec technology in general. Never driven an SI but I have driven my fathers 2000 S2000 before. Man that was a ride. Not a straight line car by any means but boy get it up there in the RPMS and it screams. Quite fun.

Um... Mazdaspeed 3 [:)]

Back on topic now... SVT FTW!

yea what he said^^ X2

i just got rid of my 2000 civic si for a 02 SVT, enough said

SI FTW.

Sorry, I'm biased and I've driven both and yes I know this is an old thread[;)] (That I've probably already replied to. LOL)

I have driven alot of hondas

89 Integra
90 Integra
88 CRX (JDM B16)
93 Hatch (GSR)
92 Hatch (SOHC VTEC)
00 Civic (B16A2)

When i was looking at cars i looked @ both the new civic si the post 00 si hatch and even the 00 SI coupe. they are all great cars. but why did i go with the SVTF? Here are two Large reasons

1) I found a 03 SVTF for 11,000 with 16,100 Miles (CARFAX VERIFIED). you cannot find a hatchback honda that is not beat to snot for that kind of money. you can thank VTEC for that. Vtec was originall inteded to give you a little extra umph when you need it not to always rev the car to 8.5k

2) along with honda bieng on top of sales and popularity they are also on to of the most stolen car's list. i always see a post on the old honda forums or CL about people offering rewards to get thier cars back. i can sleep safe knowing that my car will be there in the AM. I know this first hand. before i owned this i had a 93 EG hatch. i was going to drop a TYPE R motor and tranny and have some fun. @ the time it has a SOHC VTEC motor in it and a SI tranny (old SI not new. "92-95 SOHC SI") i woke up one morning and the car was gone..... i was in shock because my wifes FOCUS was in the driveway doors unlocked and windows open but my car was gone. Needless to say they found it in san antonio with no motor and transmission and i had a impound bill for a shell. i didnt pay it and it went to auction.

in the end id rather have a fun car that is practically brand new than have a car that got beat on that i have to watch every night like a hawk because of a lousy "H".

SVT's are already all at least 5 years old. My brother used to have a 2003 Civic SIR hatch ( remember those? only made them for 2 years..kinda like the SVT!) anyways that was the car that competed against the SVT. It came stock with 160 HP and 130 TQ. It had a really cool interior with a VERY unique shifter position that felt great. But it was definetly slower than my SVT. After my brother got a K20 swapped in ( from an RSX Type S) it had ALOT more punch to it. Faster than my SVT stock, thats for sure. So like some others said, its really really hard to compare the new SI to the SVT.

My dad drives an 06 Civic DX, and i HATEEEE the driving position. the dash has a really long feel to it, and the clutch is nearly impossible to get used to. My friends dad also has a new SI and my friend complains about the same things.

^^^ It was a cool shifter, but it was FAR from unique. Check out a 1972 Honda AN600...YUP! Same shifter; also try some alfa romeo's from the 60's...hmmm, yup same shifter!!.

Geeez, young people ...LOL J/K

The Si is a slug. We test drove one, and it has no balls.

^^^ The new one??? Like 07?

Yeah, it was an 07 or 08. It didn't have alot of power if you ask me.

^^^ Compared to what?? It would destroy the SVT in a straight line.. The thing will chirp third bone stock...I"ve driven several of them, and for a 4 cyl. they are QUICK!!! I wish the Fofo were that fast!

^^ yeah no kidding. stock the si's woop up on our foci..

well the new si's have only 139lb of torque and the svt has 145lb...i would think the svt has a slight higher chance

ST FTW...with 154lb of torgue but we have a sedan

^^^ Compared to what?? It would destroy the SVT in a straight line.. The thing will chirp third bone stock...I"ve driven several of them, and for a 4 cyl. they are QUICK!!! I wish the Fofo were that fast!

Agreed, they are geared really low if I remember correctly which also helps to their performance. Personally I'd rather have my SVT, I've driven and ridden in a few Si's and they are by no means a bad car, but just didn't have the same feel as my SVT which I have grown to love.

So? Lol. My focus will chirp 2nd and it's almost bone stock.

Just gonna lock this. It's old and it's just gonna turn into yet another argument by ignorant people that have no idea what they are talking about.