Which would be the faster car: At the Drag Strip, & at Auto-X?
Both stock, except a suspension mod on the Duratec.

Someone already started a thread just like this one. In a drag race it would likely come down to the drivers but on an autox track it would be a different story, the SVTF would likely hand the duratech it's ass lol

EDIT: I am assuming the duratech has a 5 speed. If it's an ATX the SVTF would win in both races.

^^^ i agree

SVT vs ST (2.3L) thread no 293742937987243 FUN!

This has been covered before, I just hope it doesnt start another fight.

Generally speaking, the SVT is slightly faster, if not much quicker. Magazine-race the 2 and the SVT edges the ST to 60 and in the 1/4 mile by a few tenths. They are within 10% of each other in terms of grip, again the SVT edges the ST in stock form. You'll also probably hear that the ST feels quicker because of more generous torque and tighter gearing in the low gears.

This difference is exaggerated if you're talking the pre-05 2.3L duratec, which wasn't quite as powerful.

"...but cosworth kits..." "...but stock form..." "...duratec responds better to mods... ...can add suspension..." "...SVT IZ BEST FOCUZ EVAR!!1..."

*hides*

My SVeeeT vill unpimp your.....2005 2.3, vatever it is! [:D] [;)]

lastrites, thats funny.

now do you know what im going to do?
unpimp your auto.

Originally posted by LastRites
My SVeeeT vill unpimp your.....2005 2.3[:D] [;)]

Twisties = YES

Staight Line = NO


Now, those facts having been said ...

Can't we all just get along?

Originally posted by SVT Robzor
Generally speaking, the SVT is slightly faster, if not much quicker. Magazine-race the 2 and the SVT edges the ST to 60 and in the 1/4 mile by a few tenths. They are within 10% of each other in terms of grip, again the SVT edges the ST in stock form. You'll also probably hear that the ST feels quicker because of more generous torque and tighter gearing in the low gears.


BINGO! [thumb] [thumb] [thumb]


Give The Man A Cigar!

Only if its a Cuban.

Originally posted by firemanfrank
Twisties = YES

Staight Line = NO


Now, those facts having been said ...

Can't we all just get along?

your funny....

Originally posted by firemanfrank
Twisties = YES

Staight Line = NO



I've ran into 3 ST's that wanted to race me that disprove that theory [;)] [:p]


It's all good with me, I'm no hater. If you run faster I'll give you kudo's for doing it and continue with my day, no issues. It's probably close enough between the two to be a drivers race....with the SVT being very difficult to launch perfectly it does require more experience to race from a dig in it.

Glad I'm a damned skilled driver or my record may read 0-3 instead 3-0 [;)]

Originally posted by opus1
Which would be the faster car: At the Drag Strip, & at Auto-X?
Both stock, except a suspension mod on the Duratec.

At the strip, it's so close it would come down to drivers. The ST will kill the SVT off the line, but the SVT will be faster once it gets going.

At the auto-x, assuming you put SVT springs on an ST they should be very very close. The ST would get off the line much quicker.

Yah, but that race didn't count, I had my mother, great-grandman, 73, my wife, and grandson in the car, and as the g's built in the corner getting on highway 18, I was being severely repremanded. Had to let you go. You did hit the apex correctly, nice job.

how about anyone answer the question? stock vs stock, adding mods is a bullshit answer.

an svt will beat a duratech 2.3 zx3 in both straight and twisties

an svt will beat a duratech st zx4 in the twisites, and will be a fair drivers race in a straight.

if you want to be a weiner and add mods, both cars get the same mods.

can we lock this thread? seriously nothing good will come from it

svt>st>regular focus, its as easy as that

Originally posted by fat pat
how about anyone answer the question? stock vs stock, adding mods is a bullshit answer.

an svt will beat a duratech 2.3 zx3 in both straight and twisties

an svt will beat a duratech st zx4 in the twisites, and will be a fair drivers race in a straight.

if you want to be a weiner and add mods, both cars get the same mods.

can we lock this thread? seriously nothing good will come from it

svt>st>regular focus, its as easy as that

I agree with Pat.

And if this thread does "get out of hand", it should be LOCKED.

We're ALL Ford people here friends, so please ...

Let us stay "friends".

SVT's were excellent factory modded cars with lots of hp and flash for the money.

ST's are excellent factory un-modded cars with lots of hp and flash for the money.

The Duratec motor is a better building block for a powerful motor.

SVT's are no longer available from Ford, and have only been built with the Zetec motor.

IF the SVT wasn't such a good car to begin with, then ST owners wouldn't be hot and heavy to out- do them.

Why not go bash Civic Si's and stop trying to bash fellow blue ovals?

What the heck are we arguing about anyway?

Totally, it's all about being enthusiastic about both what we drive and what our peers, within this community drive. If one car is "better" than the other then I can't figure out which is which. I wanted to purchase the ST as a second vehicle but my wife nixed that real quick, lol.

The ST and I guess all the 2.3's have IMO gearing that is advantageous to the strip.
Auto-x, while the SVT is better suited for it due to gearing , suspension, and brakes....it has less to do with the car and everything to do with skill. Take a national champion, put him or her into a complete crap-box car and be amazed as they still post better runs than you.

damn too slow typing today [thumb]

And what makes you guys think the ST is faster than a 2.3L ZX3? The whole 3 extra HP. [hihi] [hihi] [hihi] Anyways I just thought that cracked me up. Oh well, carry on with this bullshit thread. Seems to be what they all turn to anyways.

EDIT: Here's the difference
2.3 ZX3 - 148 HP 149TQ 2612 lbs.
ST - 151 HP 154 TQ 2685 lbs.

it's all in te eye of the beholder ,as far as what your looking for in a vehicle...

OK, turbo Tom and 03OrangeSVT have the most powerful SVTF's out there and can smoke everyone elses focus on this site ... they win, game over! LOL ..... now we can put all the "this vs. that" stuff away lol

I don't think the ST is faster than the standard 2.3L Foci but honestly, didn't the 2.3L only come out as a non-pzev for what...1 model year? It's just easier for me to say ST when I'm referencing the engine because that's a majority of what they are, at least now. No offence to the rest [:)]

Boy! I posted this originally not with the intent to start a fight, but for an honest opinion, because I am new to this Focus stuff & have an opportunity to purchase either car for about the same price & wondered which would be a better buy, Sorry for not stating this to begin with. I had no idea that it was going to be this heated amongst people who basically owned the same type of car.

So, what do you think is faster, a Focus or a Honda? LOL.

So, what do you think is faster, a Focus or a Honda? LOL.

Easy....STI [:D]

People who get defensive feel like they have something to defend; if we both feel like we need to defend ourselves, what's that say about it?

There, look at that, without even thinking, duratec and SVT are "we" and "them". Crazy world. [;)]

D00D HYUNDAI PWNZ BOTH UR WEEK VTEK I DUNNO HO U SAY CRAP NAD UR POS FORD> H 4 THA WIN BROTHA.

[:D]

If you have the choice of either the ST or the SVT, drive both of them and see which you like best. I absolutely LOVE my SVTF!! The handling is wicked yet still rides well and while not exactly a powerhouse, my mods have helped make my car way fun to drive!! What year foci are they? How many miles on the respective cars? Inquiring minds want to know LOL

Well lets see what Focus started this in the begining??? mine. That is the 2003 ZX3 2.3 PZEV. Well with that said. The SVT is cleary better bang for the buck and better car than any Focus out their. With that said the SVT is 1 sec faster than the 03-04 2.3 ZX3. And as stated the ST is only just slightly slower than a SVT. now what u must ask urself is Do u want to own a pice of history seeing that Ford is Shutting down SVT, and buy urself an SVT or do u want to just be like a normal Foci owner and just own a Focus.

geez if they are the same price, why not go with the svt.
Nice seats, the interior is done up. Comes with decent rims and a suspension system. Stock body kit.

I woulda picked an svt if they came at the same price. Never going to mod the piss out of either, i would rather wait saving that for a better car.

*sigh* I hate SVT vs ST treads, but I'll throw my two cents anyway. The SVT is a tad quicker bottom line, that being said the SVT was way over price, that would explain why ford only sold a handful and quickly discontinue them. I feel sorry for anyone who actually paid 20 grand for a car that is already starting to fall apart. The duratec engine is hands down a better engine and with just a couple of Bolt on's the 2.3 will more then keep up with the extincted SVT. Oh ya I'm sure the SVT dudes are going to flame me on this but I'll be defensive too if I over paid for a car that's just sightly better than a 2.3.

Originally posted by whynotthinkwhynot


Why not go bash Civic Si's and stop trying to bash fellow blue ovals?

cuz the civic Si is faster than the foci
i like my focus, but the si's are faster

Originally posted by 2K5 FOCUS ST
*sigh* I hate SVT vs ST treads, but I'll throw my two cents anyway. The SVT is a tad quicker bottom line, that being said the SVT was way over price, that would explain why ford only sold a handful and quickly discontinue them. I feel sorry for anyone who actually paid 20 grand for a car that is already starting to fall apart. The duratec engine is hands down a better engine and with just a couple of Bolt on's the 2.3 will more then keep up with the extincted SVT. Oh ya I'm sure the SVT dudes are going to flame me on this but I'll be defensive too if I over paid for a car that's just sightly better than a 2.3.

Do you ever do anything on these forums anymore other than troll threads about SVT topics and then kick SVT owners in the nuts? I've never met anyone online or off who had such a hatred for a car. Get a life. Oh, and BTW, many of us did NOT pay $20,000 for them, and even for those who did, more of us than not are finding that our cars are not "starting to fall apart" thank you very much.

Originally posted by Fl3tCh
cuz the civic Si is faster than the foci
i like my focus, but the si's are faster

I know it was a loaded question [;)]

I look forward to the day when my mods enable me to outperform a Civic SI in the wagon[clap] I did show a rather old Legend what was up going up an entrance ramp not too long ago. I was just using gravity to my advantage [thumb]

Originally posted by opus1
Boy! I posted this originally not with the intent to start a fight, but for an honest opinion


Hmmmmmmmm......




he don't know us very well does he? [screwy]

lol! i raced an a4 with 3 OTHER people in my car, and i won..lol it was funny
i miss my 2.3! it was ATX and i kind of raced my friends SVT and it wasnt too bad of a race

i dont think civic si is anything better then the svt as a matter of fact i have beat a few , yes they out perforn non-svt foci.....

Originally posted by jlemond
The SVT is cleary better bang for the buck and better car than any Focus out their (there?).

Clearly?
Might I suggest then, Eye Laser Surgery to make your vision just a tad bit more "clearer"?

the SVT is 1 sec faster than the 03-04 2.3 ZX3.

You meant ".10 sec. faster", and NOT "1 sec. faster". Right?

Otherwise, your statement is wrong.

Car&Driver Test: 2003 Focus ZTW Pzev
(and these numbers are from a WAGON no less!)

0 to 60 mph: 7.8 sec
1/4-mile: 16.2 sec @ 86 mph

"at the track, this workaday wagon with its five-speed stick nearly matched the performance of our quickest SVT Focus, dispatching the 60-mph dash in 7.8 seconds (0.1 second behind the SVT) and slipping through the quarter-mile in 16.2 seconds at 86 mph, 0.3 second and 3 mph off the SVT's pace."

C&D - ZTW Test (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=7872)


That means the SVT's numbers are:
0 to 60 mph: 7.7 sec
1/4-mile: 15.9 sec @ 89 mph

For comparision then, the ST's numbers are:
0 to 60 mph: 7.9 sec
1/4-mile: 16.1 sec @ 86 mph

This means that the ST is only .2 sec. behind the SVT. Not bad for just $18,900 ...
the ST is only just slightly slower than a SVT.

That statment is TRUE.


Do u (you?) want to own a pice (piece?) of history seeing that Ford is Shutting down SVT and buy urself (yourself?) an SVT,
or ...
do u (you) want to just be like a normal Foci owner and just own a Focus.

OR, might I suggest ....

Do you want a "normal" Focus that costs several thousands less than the SVT, but performance wise is almost EQUAL to that of the SVT?

Hmmmm (thinking ... thinking ...).

Yup! Guess that's why I have an '06 ST!


PEACE

Frank...give up...lol This thread should have been locked hours ago. They just end up being a d*ck measuring contest, and no amount of common sense will prevail.

these debates never go anywhere. If you have a choice between the two, drive them both and see which you prefer. Since the power is about the same then ask your self what would you prefer a hatch or sedan

sheeeezzzzz, are we not grown adults here?????? It seems a pissing contest has ensued where as the original poster was asking a simple question ..... ok, I digress LOL

Originally posted by jaykirs
sheeeezzzzz, are we not grown adults here?????? It seems a pissing contest has ensued where as the original poster was asking a simple question ..... ok, I digress LOL


My point exactly..just like what happened with the other 304943838227217 odd "which focus is "better" thread..lol...Poor thread starter, he's probably off to the Honda or VW store by now.

Originally posted by ZX4STDoug
Frank...give up...

NEVER! (this is how we fireman are!)

They just end up being a d*ck measuring contest

Ummm, let me stick to something I can win .... [:(]

This thread should have been locked hours ago ... and no amount of common sense will prevail.

I know, just that when I see incorrect information being dispersed as fact, then I have to provide proof of those errors.

All in all, I'd shake the hand of any SVT'r that I met. [thumb]

And as a show of support to the SVT guys/gals, I'd admit that if it weren't for the SVT Focus ...

That there might not even be a Focus ST!

Kudos to all the SVT'rs out there![cheers]

Magazine racing is fun. And because of it, once again a poor time for the SVT is held up as the standard by which to compare the other models of Focus.

Originally posted by azdamay
Magazine racing is fun. And because of it, once again a poor time for the SVT is held up as the standard by which to compare the other models of Focus.

"Poor time"?

Car and Driver has veteran journalists who've driven/tested/raced almost every kind of vehicle out there.

Additionally, their advanced testing procedures allow for changes in Air Density, Wind Direction, etc.

Also, I've raced many new vehicles at the dragstrip myself (mostly new Mustang GT's), and the times that I had got after getting a handle on those cars ran was always right on with what Car and Driver had gotten.

So firsthand, I was able to prove out their claims.

Not knocking the SVT's, not at all. But like I said in my post above ...

The facts are the facts.

And in this case anyway, I know of which I speak.


PEACE

SVT drivers know that a 15.9 is not very good - the car is capable of 15.1 STOCK and yes it has been done, I've seen the time slips. Likewise on the 0-60 I've seen better than 7.7, like 7.3 or 7.4. So yes, I would call C & D's test time a poor time, or at least, a middling and very average time which could and should have been better. They probably had a TC-equipped test car.

i love SVT's, i still think they are overall better cars....except for the interior. in my opinion the 05 ST interior has been the best to come from the focus (just my opinion though :)

Originally posted by TwighlightBlueZx5
i dont think civic si is anything better then the svt as a matter of fact i have beat a few , yes they out perforn non-svt foci.....
i am talking about the new 06 civic si's not the ones with the b16 or the k series..the one that Honda finally did right

Originally posted by firemanfrank
"Poor time"?

Car and Driver has veteran journalists who've driven/tested/raced almost every kind of vehicle out there.

Additionally, their advanced testing procedures allow for changes in Air Density, Wind Direction, etc.

Also, I've raced many new vehicles at the dragstrip myself (mostly new Mustang GT's), and the times that I had got after getting a handle on those cars ran was always right on with what Car and Driver had gotten.

So firsthand, I was able to prove out their claims.

Not knocking the SVT's, not at all. But like I said in my post above ...

The facts are the facts.

And in this case anyway, I know of which I speak.


PEACE

From sport compact car... Proj SVT Baseline 15.3 e.t- those guys aren't nearly as good as car & driver I mean they're magazine doesn't have as many readers. If you want to magazine race you can spin it 10 ways, you can find times where an svtf runs a 16.1 or you can find where it runs low 15s so you've got to take it with a grain of salt. I think most would agree a mid 15 is more than possible bone stock on non-tc cars or with tc disconnected

Originally posted by Ripped ST 151
i love SVT's, i still think they are overall better cars....except for the interior. in my opinion the 05 ST interior has been the best to come from the focus (just my opinion though :)

ever seen an eap svt?

can someone please lock this thread?

...i should just put svt>st>focus in my sig...

Woo, another thread Duratec vs. SVT thread. Sheesh.[rolleyes]

So before this gets anymore out of hand, it shall be locked. We have enough of these already. Search around and you will get all kinds of hits.