Focus Fanatics > Ford Focus Tech Discussions > SVT Performance (2002-2004) > SVTF....do you see it as a focus? PDA blacknfastsvt02-08-2006, 04:23 PMTo me personally before i got my svt...i always hated the way the focus looks but when i saw the svt i fell in love...to me it just seems like a whole different car...whenever i see a regular focus on the street i kinda feel bad that my car is still a focus...i dunno but i just think its like on a whole different level...better looks, more hp, better suspensions, better interior...all around better car....wat do you guys think.... jollyjohnj02-08-2006, 04:25 PMThis is going to get ugly. I hope you are wearing your flame retardent suit. jaimz02-08-2006, 04:33 PMthe svt focus is the exact same as a zx3 focus with a few differances, the major differance is the engine. the only outside cosmetic differance is the bumpers and side skirts. YES it's a focus. is the lightning not an f150 is the svtc (SVT contour) not a contour? it's kinda bullheaded to drive a focus, praticipate in a focus community, then in your head act like your not drivng a focus. either way you look at it your stuck. you got a focus. so if you hate the way any focus looks you hate the way your car looks :) azdamay02-08-2006, 04:35 PMSigh... these threads always get ugly and they never last long. You have a Focus. It may have an SVT badge on it, but it's still a Focus. And I say that as someone who owns an SVT Focus. And don't expect that because this was posted in the SVT Owner's Lounge that non-SVT owners won't come in and say something... because they will. HaveBlue8302-08-2006, 04:42 PMHere are my thoughts on the Ford Focus: Before I got my focus (ZTS), I never really paid attention to the focus...... I got my ZTS, and it was cool for me to have..... I fond out what you could do to them...and discovered FF...... I found out about the SVT, and that was like "the elite"......people with money and good jobs had those.......I was envious of those ppl.....Every time I saw one (and STILL to this day), I gawked at them with envy......I wanted one BAD.... I wrecked my ZTS, and I told myself I would have an SVT Focus in 2-3 years...when The insurance went down....... Now I have my New 04 SVTF, and It is my BABY....I still think of it as a Focus...definitely!!, just the top of the top of the line one..... A foci is a Foci.........no matter what HaveBlue8302-08-2006, 04:45 PMAnd PPL that pull that "I have an SVT, i'm better than you" B.S. PISS ME OFF.......no, you have an F-150/Mustang/Focus/Contor that was UPGRADED by SVT....same thing just like Roush, Steeda, and Saleen....... I will go talk to ANYONE with a focus......I don't care what you got...if you are interested, let's talk.....[thunb] SVTmonkey02-08-2006, 04:55 PMNobody should attach their self-worth to the car they drive (think small penis). But the truth is, the SVT is the best focus you can get, I don't care what anyone says. I don't think I'm better than anyone because I own an SVT, but every time I drive beside a regular Focus I know I can roast it, in a straight line, in the twisties...wherever; that's why I got the SVT. SVTmonkey02-08-2006, 04:56 PMOh, and to answer the question, I do see my SVT as a Focus, but a "super" Focus if you will. [thumb] fspeed02-08-2006, 05:00 PMYep, it still be a focus, it may be a nice focus when you bought it, but its a focus. The europeans still have one over you. Are you that SVT driver i always see that wont give a fellow focus driver a wave?[;)] SVTmonkey02-08-2006, 05:08 PMI'll give the wave, but they have to wave first...since I'm better [;)] Poney02-08-2006, 05:23 PM^^ lmao Speaking and an SVT owner and previous ZX3 owner, yes the cars are very differnt to drive. but looks are just subtle differnces on the exterior. If i were to put a zx3 front end, noone would know it was an svt. I do agree the that svt is a better focus, thats a given, but i think the focus in general is an awesome car. I loved my zx3 just as much as i love my svt. 2004SVTAutoXer02-08-2006, 05:45 PMI was the opposite, I started with a 2003 ZX5 and fell in love with the Focus for it's handling ability. It was only natural that I buy the fastest most capable version shortly afterwards. 03OrangeSVT02-08-2006, 05:49 PMI look at it like this... Regular Focus = Bruce Banner MY SVT Focus = PISSED OFF INCREDIBLE HULK Dont make me angry[ohcrap] Oni02-08-2006, 05:56 PMOriginally posted by blacknfastsvt To me personally before i got my svt...i always hated the way the focus looks but when i saw the svt i fell in love...to me it just seems like a whole different car...whenever i see a regular focus on the street i kinda feel bad that my car is still a focus...i dunno but i just think its like on a whole different level...better looks, more hp, better suspensions, better interior...all around better car....wat do you guys think.... Just don't forget about the Focus RS, and the 06 Focus ST. How do you think those guys over in Europe feel in their older STs (our equivalent here is the SVT) when they drive up on an RS or new ST? There will always be someone that has a "better" car than you, but take pride in what you own. Don't turn it into cockiness. I really didn't grow too fond of the car until I saw it in the WRC. After reading many raving reviews over the car, I said it was a car I could see myself owning. Well, about half a year ago, my T-Bird was falling apart, I was approved for the funds, and I knew what car I could afford and actually wanted to put down money to purchase. nuttypet02-08-2006, 06:09 PMI don't know how you think your SVTF is not a focus. Just because of a few changes SVT made to them. I actually don't like the SVTF, and I would never pay the money to get one. Actually if there was regular focus and a SVTF selling for the same price, same year, same condition, I would buy the regular focus. Just buy a regular focus and mod it yourself. Make it the way you want it to look. Peregrine02-08-2006, 06:41 PMI haven't had any run-ins with a SVTF owner, but have seen some drive like crazed idiots. But who am I to complain? I would do a little spirited driving myself! On another note I think the problem is more apparent with drivers of other brands that are more expensive. I wonder how they sit down in their cars with that huge pedestal up their asses. And finally, to agree with nutty pet up there, a Focus can be modded to your own personal liking and could rival the next. Wave, talk, roll together and be one. ouikikazz02-08-2006, 06:49 PMwho said svt focus' were expensive to own? i bought mine for less than i bought my regular focus :) (its about the same price u can pick up a 96 civic for too just for comparison). Sure it has a salvage title and sure it needed work to get on the road properly but in the end its worth it...love it to death more than my non-svt....but in the end it is still a Focus FocusInAlaska02-08-2006, 06:53 PMI was impressed with the Focus when Ford introduced it, and proud that Ford had produced a car that didn't need the caveat "for a domestic" added when it did well in the car magazine tests. It wasn't until SVT did their thing, adding to the basic sound design that I had to own one. I'm very pleased with my car, and as a fan of SVT, proud to own one of their excellent vehicles. I've always considered my car as a Focus first, with some SVT magic added. I'd be happy to hang with any Focus owners, but for the most part, our Alaskan Focus owners are commuter drones. A car nut in a non-SVT Focus and I could become buds. gukin02-08-2006, 07:49 PMOh boy, I LOVE these threads!! When I first looked, the dealer didn't want to let me drive the SVT but he was glad to let me drive a mid-level zx3. Mind you, I was hopping out of an Escort GT into a zx3, same HP but an extra 300 lbs. It WAS a nice car, but it just didn't tingle my sphincter. I came back and the dealer figured out that I wasn't a sure sale so he let me drive the SVTF. All around, the SVT was "better", everything just seemed to mesh with me. Six months later, I went back serious and the dealer had an Orange Euro and a base Blue SVT. It was Nov 2003 on a 2003 model and the dealer was pretty anxious to dump either of those turkeys; he probably knew that ford was discontinuing the SVT line and was even more anxious. I bought the most expensive Escort made in 1991 and I bought the most expensive Focus in 2003. In both cases, I bought a pre-modded car and I didn't regret the decision. So, SVTF for $14,000 or zx3 for$4,000 + $10,000 mods, you decide. azdamay02-08-2006, 07:55 PMI know there's some Escort GT owners on this forum so I hate to step on toes, but I have to say since you brought that car up - MY GOD is the SVT Focus a much better car, and I say that as someone who drove a GT for a few years. Just in every way possible, even with the issues the SVT is known for, I would never go back to the Escort. EVER. It was a good car for its day but it's a freaking ox cart compared to the SVT. coleslaststand02-08-2006, 08:00 PMI think the Focus itself is a great car no matter the version ... remember, this is the same body type and frame that more than holds its own in the world's biggest rally races ... all Foci share one similar trait, they all handle very, very well ... some better than others obviously, but in general the Focus is a great handling car ... blackturbohatch4602-08-2006, 08:03 PMwell, i spent 13 something on my zx3 premium. plus turbo kit is 4K, so thats around 17 total, and a svt is around 17 roughly.........see my point. azdamay02-08-2006, 08:07 PMNot everyone has to approach cars the same way. That's why there are so many brands and so many models. Some people see buying a car like the SVT Focus as a stupid waste of money when they can buy a cheaper model and mod it to their liking, and some people see the SVT as a convenient way to get the car they want without all the work. I mean, for most drivers, the SVT already had the "mods" that were the most popular, and then some you can't easily do on your own, like a different transmission. Just preferential differences, that's all it is. No reason to think one is better than the other. b16sir199102-08-2006, 08:33 PMIt may still be technically a Focus, but it shares very little in common with the standard focus. Aside from a few pieces of sheet metal and a few assorted other items, its totally different. Even down to the back control arms, they are different. I have spent alot of hours at work looking at the different pieces that make the svt, and you would be suprised at the differences. Yes, alot of things are interchangeable, but still unique to the svt. Theres alot of engineers that id like to thank for their efforts in building these cars. Bigfonsz02-08-2006, 08:45 PMOriginally posted by b16sir1991 It may still be technically a Focus, but it shares very little in common with the standard focus. Aside from a few pieces of sheet metal and a few assorted other items, its totally different. Even down to the back control arms, they are different. I have spent alot of hours at work looking at the different pieces that make the svt, and you would be suprised at the differences. Yes, alot of things are interchangeable, but still unique to the svt. Theres alot of engineers that id like to thank for their efforts in building these cars. ^^^^[thumb] RedSVT 0302-08-2006, 09:06 PMIt is hard not to feel a little special when we have our own forum, our own lounge, various sites that are SVT specific, a numbered car, a birth certificate for it, an association that we can join, etc. How can you not feel a little "better" than the average Focus driver? I try not to be like that, but I know that deep down, like most of you on here, you sometimes cannot help it. I liked the Focus when it came out, and fell in love with the SVT after test driving one. I do give the wave, if you appear to be modded at all. I don't wave to women in their mid 40's with a pine tree air freshener hanging off the rearview mirror of their Twilight Blue sedan with hubcaps. azdamay02-08-2006, 09:28 PMThere is also a Duratec Forum, a Zetec Forum, and an SPI Forum, and each one has an Owner's Lounge as well. This talk of feeling "better" than other Focus owners is what makes them think SVT owners are a bunch of stuck-up jerks. RedSVT 0302-09-2006, 10:02 AMAm I sensing a bit of jealousy? azdamay02-09-2006, 10:26 AMOriginally posted by RedSVT 03 Am I sensing a bit of jealousy? No, you're not, because I have an SVT. [rolleyes] BackNBlackSVT02-09-2006, 10:28 AMThis is what SVT means -Same Vehicle Type.. a focus [rofl] viney26602-09-2006, 10:29 AMIn my humble opinion, and I don't own an svt... I believe the SVT was a focus built without price point in mind. It was built the "right" way. The metal shifter base, the better brakes, the better suspension, etc etc. It is just a nicer built piece all the way around. A few of the ideas are a bit goofy, but overall it worked very well. Can you build a "better" focus with aftermarket parts?? Sure you can, but the svt is a nice car for the extra cash. IF they had made an svt wagon I would have bought one. Yes, the svt is a focus. Just a better one. b16sir199102-09-2006, 10:30 AMAzdamay, dont take that so personally, i dont cut the other focus' because they arent an svt. Everyone should feel that they have a special car if you make it your own. I really dont think he was meaning to step on anyones toes there, right RedSVT 03? SVT Robzor02-09-2006, 10:36 AM/begin quote The SVT Focus has 497 unique parts compared to a standard ZX3. That seems like a lot when you're talking with the people who marched all those parts past the bean counters. Here on the factory floor, you can see the Focus is built on the same line as the Escort ZX2, which has about 3,500 unique parts, which is to say, all of them. With bodystyles, colors, option packages and all, there are 285 different ways to build a car in this factory, so another engine, some bigger brakes, and a beefier exhaust don't really seem like that big a deal. \end quote Humility is key. We ended up with a sweet car, but its awesome cause of the base it's built on. azdamay02-09-2006, 10:39 AMWhy would I take it personally? Just because he assumes I don't have an SVT and automatically assumes because of that I am jealous of SVT owners - and posted that remark right after mine? Yeah that's no reason to interpret his remark as directed towards me. [rolleyes] Like I said, I HAVE an SVT. Just because it doesn't say that over to the left <------ under my name doesn't mean it's not true. I'm just so tired of SVT owners thinking their shit doesn't stink. Folks, it's not that exclusive of a car. SVT_BMXer02-09-2006, 11:31 AMAn SVT is a focus, plain and simple, just the same way an SRT-4 is a neon and so on with the rest of the SVT lineup. They are just the performance model. SVTmonkey02-09-2006, 11:38 AMOriginally posted by nuttypet I don't know how you think your SVTF is not a focus. Just because of a few changes SVT made to them. I actually don't like the SVTF, and I would never pay the money to get one. Actually if there was regular focus and a SVTF selling for the same price, same year, same condition, I would buy the regular focus. Just buy a regular focus and mod it yourself. Make it the way you want it to look. I call bullsh!t. You would purposely take the worse car? Too give yourself a feeling of nobility, or whatever it is you feel? No way. Hmm, Neon or Audi A4....i'll take the piece of sh!t please. mike 102-09-2006, 11:43 AMi tell everyone i have a ford rental car and there like it's a svt focus and im like it's still ford's rental car this way when i kick there ass im like you just got beat buy a rental car SVTmonkey02-09-2006, 11:45 AMOriginally posted by thefrush This is actually stupider than SRT-4's saying their cars aren't Neons. At least their car doesn't say NEON anywhere on it! YES IT'S A FOCUS SO WHAT IF ITS GOT 40 MORE HORSEPOWER, A BETTER INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR, AND BETTER SUSPENSION, IT IS STILL A FOCUS. God this is a stupid thread. My friend's 'regular' ZTS would rape you in every single one of those categories. In fact, it would rape 03Orange in all of them too. The fastest 'regular focuses' are faster than the fastest SVT's. Inhale....exhale....goooood. First off, I don't recall anyone saying that they don't consider their car a focus. And I'm sure there are a lot of modded Foci that are faster, just like there faster modded Taurus wagons and econolines and pinto's. I'm not talking about people who dump 20k into a 10k car. I'm talking about regular Foci, and last time I checked, 98% of the Foci I drive by, I can roast. So calm down and don't start throwing obvious technicalities at me. Clegg02-09-2006, 11:48 AMIn the end its all still a ford, its all still a focus, and it was all made in mexico. SVT or not... Personally sometimes a normal ZX3 would be nice... maybe I wouldnt have to work on the car every week to keep the damn thing running. Clegg02-09-2006, 12:01 PMOriginally posted by thefrush This is actually stupider than SRT-4's saying their cars aren't Neons. At least their car doesn't say NEON anywhere on it! YES IT'S A FOCUS SO WHAT IF ITS GOT 40 MORE HORSEPOWER, A BETTER INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR, AND BETTER SUSPENSION, IT IS STILL A FOCUS. God this is a stupid thread. My friend's 'regular' ZTS would rape you in every single one of those categories. In fact, it would rape 03Orange in all of them too. The fastest 'regular focuses' are faster than the fastest SVT's. Whats to be noted is that you COULD make a SVT more powerful than a ZX3 based mod for less money to get to the same point. Reasons: 1. The SVT comes with sinter forged con rods already. (cost savings from having to buy them) 2. The SVT comes with the Black Oak based ECU which is quite powerful and able to be programmed quite well compared to the older gen ECU's (the new Duratec's are using White Oak ECU's I believe which are the newer ones and also very good with coil on plug ignition, etc...) 3. the VCT if properly programmed could aid any forced induction system. Just because someone has made a balistic ZTS, means nothing. Its all about how much money you want to put into something, not what you are starting with. Want an example? How much power you think a 1.5L engine can put out in a car? Thinking like a 90Hp Civic or some shit... Hmm well now throw a few million in engine development at that and you have a Toluene burning, 80 PSI, 1400 Hp 1987 Williams F1 inline 4 cyl 1.5L engine. Hmm so a lil 1.5L 4 banger from 1987 could own all your ass's. Hp and Torque is directly tied to how much money you throw at it, adn what the chassis can hold, and because the ZX3 and the SVT have the same chassis, they are the same car for potential power. With that said though, there is a distinct stock for stock difference between the SVT and ZX3 in driving feel and performance. I get rental Foci all the time, they are fine... nothing shocking. Then I go back into my SVT and the SVT is just a better breed of the ZX3 platform, just as the SHO was better than the SES Taurus, or the Z06 Vette is better than the Base model Vette. SVT_BMXer02-09-2006, 12:29 PMthis thread is retarded SVTmonkey02-09-2006, 12:55 PMSo don't read it or post in it. Clegg02-09-2006, 12:59 PMOriginally posted by thefrush [werd] Funny you should say that since your post was one of the most "retarded" ones in the thread! sidney6119902-09-2006, 01:04 PMMan I'm getting into this pretty late but hell I'll throw my 2 cents in. In my eyes no its not JUST a Focus. In reality it is a Focus but on a diffrent level. The same as a SRT4 is a Neon, a Evo is a Lancer, a WRX is a Imprezza, etc... So yes in theroy it is a Focus but alot more. Also I would never have bought a Focus and will not buy one in the future unless it is an SVT. You can get a fairly loaded Ford Taurus for about the same as a equaly equiped Focus so if I was in the market for a car I'd go with the full size sedan. Just some opinions and thoughts, lets not all get our panties in a bunch. 03OrangeSVT02-09-2006, 01:17 PMI was trying to be funny in my post........ Then I get dragged down into the muck and mire........ I like the muck, just not the mire fokuzx302-09-2006, 01:22 PMyea man..mire sucks.... [confused] focusfrost02-09-2006, 01:37 PMWho is the winner in that picture(thefrush post above) of the blue svt FOCUS and the red zts FOCUS ? jollyjohnj02-09-2006, 01:41 PMI told you this was going to get ugly. [rolleyes] Oni02-09-2006, 01:56 PMI've seen worse... http://blacktown.net/Dennis_ugly_face.gif BCESVT102-09-2006, 01:59 PMAn SVT Focus is still a Focus. An SVT Cobra is still a Mustang. A Lightning is still an F-150. An SVT Contour is still a Contour. They're simply enhanced versions of mass produced vehicles. RedSVT 0302-09-2006, 03:58 PMOK, I can't help it, I like having an SVT, I like not having the average Focus. So what if it is just a few different parts. It is all SVT. blacknfastsvt02-09-2006, 04:14 PMOriginally posted by RedSVT 03 OK, I can't help it, I like having an SVT, I like not having the average Focus. So what if it is just a few different parts. It is all SVT. Preach on brother! SVT Pride B!tches!!! SVTmonkey02-09-2006, 04:43 PMThis is what it comes down to for me: I drive an SVT Focus, my mom drives a regular Focus. That's pretty much how I feel about that. fspeed02-09-2006, 04:50 PMOriginally posted by RedSVT 03 OK, I can't help it, I like having an SVT, I like not having the average Focus. So what if it is just a few different parts. It is all SVT. Your right, you have the SVT parts. Thats something to be happy about, look my focus came faster than your focus. There are alot of people on this site who dont have an average focus, and its still not an SVT, i like my unaverage ZX3. I would love to have an SVT so that i have more to work with, but its not lightyears ahead of any other focus. I'll tell you what foci have bragging rights, the mighty euro monsters. blacknfastsvt02-09-2006, 05:37 PMi own a car that is 1 out of 981 that is pretty damn good dont you think ;) thats enough bragging rights for me....for the regular focus theyre like hondas (or like everyone likes to say a$$holes everyones got one)....so yea i do feel special owning this car...it is very rare and unique... BCESVT102-09-2006, 05:43 PMOriginally posted by blacknfastsvt i own a car that is 1 out of 981 that is pretty damn good dont you think ;) thats enough bragging rights for me....for the regular focus theyre like hondas (or like everyone likes to say a$$holes everyones got one)....so yea i do feel special owning this car...it is very rare and unique... That sounds rude as hell. HaveBlue8302-09-2006, 05:45 PMwhatever.....My sig line basically says it all: Foci GOOD........SVT BETTER WD4002-09-2006, 05:58 PMOriginally posted by BCESVT1 That sounds rude as hell. Not rude at all, though I would have somehow used the word "proud" instead of "bragging rights". Face it, the SVTF is a limited production vehicle...less than 15,000 made over three years. If some people feel proud about that fact, then they're certainly entitled to it. Of course the fact also remains that it's based off the fOCUS, and inherently, it is a fOCUS at heart. It's a very special fOCUS. I try to stay away from these conversations, because they always turn out the same. My modded blah blah blah is faster than your blah blah blah. I firmly believe the original poster's intent was NOT to start the proverbial modded vs non-modded vs more modded war that invariably ensues. I believe his intent, and probably the same way many others of us feel, is the fact that he opted for a limited edition model, that SVT tweaked quite well, yet he's disappointed that most people have no idea what a special car it really is. "Oh, it's just a fOCUS" is all too common. Well, yes it is, but it's quite a different fOCUS as it comes off the factory floor. EDIT: And, an explanation of the "Oh, it's just a fOCUS" comment. Far too many people harken back to the Recall issues that plagued the 2000 models. Most of the time, they don't even know it hit the 10 Best List for how many years running? They never give it the chance it deserves. Believe me, when someone tells me that comment, not only do I explain what my SVTF is, I also end up explaining what a good car the fOCUS is period...SVT version or not. I love to hear them change their tune after the fact.[;)] blacknfastsvt02-09-2006, 06:02 PMOriginally posted by WD40 Not rude at all, though I would have somehow used the word "proud" instead of "bragging rights". Face it, the SVTF is a limited production vehicle...less than 15,000 made over three years. If some people feel proud about that fact, then they're certainly entitled to it. Of course the fact also remains that it's based off the fOCUS, and inherently, it is a fOCUS at heart. It's a very special fOCUS. I try to stay away from these conversations, because they always turn out the same. My modded blah blah blah is faster than your blah blah blah. I firmly believe the original poster's intent was NOT to start the proverbial modded vs non-modded vs more modded war that invariably ensues. I believe his intent, and probably the same way many others of us feel, is the fact that he opted for a limited edition model, that SVT tweaked quite well, yet he's disappointed that most people have no idea what a special car it really is. "Oh, it's just a fOCUS" is all too common. Well, yes it is, but it's quite a different fOCUS as it comes off the factory floor. exactly...i only was thinking about both cars stock...and i do have a limited production car!...its based on the focus body but to me its not a focus BECAUSE i know that no matter what happened, i wouldve never bought a regular focus...i'm past the age of buying a car and modifying all body parts and putting a kit to make it look nice...why not start with something that comes factory stock nice...you wouldnt have to worry bout all the problems/costs/etc...from buying a kit...just my .02 SVT PRIDE! BCESVT102-09-2006, 06:12 PMThe only people that care about the SVTs are the people that own them. Ask anyone else what it is and it's just a Focus. It's great for us (the owners), but it's rude to parade it around like it's the next Ferrari. Having said that, people need to learn to use a little tact when they're publically "appreciating" their vehicles. azdamay02-09-2006, 06:13 PMPride is one of the seven deadly sins... personally I don't find being proud of your car to be an attractive quality, especially in this case, since "pride" basically seems to be interchangeable with "look what I've got that YOU don't." "Based on the focus body" my ass. This is like the SRT-4 owners who go "oh it's not a Neon, it's just based on the Neon. They hardly share any parts at all." It says "Focus" right on your hatch! I have friends who can't tell the difference between my SVT Focus and a ZX3 even if the two were sitting side by side in a parking lot - yeah, based on the Focus. [rolleyes] svt2nv0402-09-2006, 06:22 PMLOL ........................................................[confused] Poney02-09-2006, 06:31 PMthis is pretty dumb. maybe we need another site called " svt focus fanatics. com " geeeez come on guys, svt , zx3, st, lx, or wutever, we are all focus owners. end of story RedSVT 0302-09-2006, 06:32 PMOriginally posted by azdamay It says "Focus" right on your hatch! Not on mine it doesn't. [neener] azdamay02-09-2006, 06:33 PMOh okay, so debadged no one will be able to tell it's a Focus, right? I mean it looks so different from a ZX3. svt2nv0402-09-2006, 06:46 PM^^^ jesus god, a subtle difference but a difference none the less. if you know anything about cars, you can tell there's a difference! most of the 30 year old and older people at my work looks at it as the same, while guys in my age group can notice the difference. i'm sorry, i wasn't going to post anything to this thread but i just don't give a [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]* now. I THINK THE SVT FOCUS LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN THE ZX3!!! AND I WOULDN'T OWN A FOCUS IF IT WASN'T FOR THE SVT!!! there i said it, it's true, i wouldn't. however i don't think i'm better than the ones who don't have a SVT. i'll give props to zx3 owners i see on the road if they're modded or whatever. there's a guy where i live with a totally hooked up white SEDAN. i like his but i wouldn't buy it. i mean it does have ground effects, bigger rims, and lowered. that's the major exterior differences that are easily seen. other little things like a chrome exhaust tip and painted door handles make it look a little better too! i'm done now i g2g eat. lol blacknfastsvt02-09-2006, 06:54 PMOriginally posted by svt2nv04 ^^^ jesus god, a subtle difference but a difference none the less. if you know anything about cars, you can tell there's a difference! most of the 30 year old and older people at my work looks at it as the same, while guys in my age group can notice the difference. i'm sorry, i wasn't going to post anything to this thread but i just don't give a [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]* now. I THINK THE SVT FOCUS LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN THE ZX3!!! AND I WOULDN'T OWN A FOCUS IF IT WASN'T FOR THE SVT!!! there i said it, it's true, i wouldn't. however i don't think i'm better than the ones who don't have a SVT. i'll give props to zx3 owners i see on the road if they're modded or whatever. there's a guy where i live with a totally hooked up white SEDAN. i like his but i wouldn't buy it. i mean it does have ground effects, bigger rims, and lowered. that's the major exterior differences that are easily seen. other little things like a chrome exhaust tip and painted door handles make it look a little better too! i'm done now i g2g eat. lol THANK YOU!!! EXACTLY WHAT IM THINKING! svt2nv0402-09-2006, 07:06 PMoh and one more thing, i bought the SVT because i wanted to buy a car new that already had mods done to it. i had a talon before this car and i had dumped over$10,000 into it. needless to say i didn't want to do that anymore. i wanted something that i didn't have to do all that to. plus i like the factory "hooked up" look. i think it's clean. better than a big gaudy body kit that sits an inch off the ground that drags everything that it runs over. the reason i bought the SVT was for that clean factory subtle look over the base model. actually, i was looking at ALL the modded sport compact cars when i was looking for a new car and i chose this one! [thumb] BTW, i do like the job that most of you do with your "base" focus. there are a lot of really nice foci out there with all the bodykits etc.. it's just not what i'd like to drive anymore. some of you do a great job and spending the money and time and all that is what you like to do and it's what i USED to like to do, but not really anymore. [thumb] RedSVT 0302-09-2006, 07:45 PMOriginally posted by svt2nv04 i'm sorry, i wasn't going to post anything to this thread but i just don't give a [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]* now. I THINK THE SVT FOCUS LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN THE ZX3!!! AND I WOULDN'T OWN A FOCUS IF IT WASN'T FOR THE SVT!!! there i said it, it's true, i wouldn't. however i don't think i'm better than the ones who don't have a SVT. i'll give props to zx3 owners i see on the road if they're modded or whatever. there's a guy where i live with a totally hooked up white SEDAN. i like his but i wouldn't buy it. I have to agree with this. A base model ZX3 does very little for me. 15 or 16" wheels, no lower front or rear valance, no lip on the rear hatch, no ground effects, not lowered from the factory, that tiny exhaust tip. I like the looks of the ZX3, I just don't like the plain jane ZX3. The sedan does absolutely nothing for me. There are much better looking sedans out there right now, imho. blacknfastsvt02-09-2006, 09:24 PMsvt2nv04 and RedSVT 03 lets start an SVT only alliance!!! :-D y2kpedo02-09-2006, 11:04 PMwell i feel bad about the SVTF's cause i leave them behind all the time. imagen how i feel when i race a regular ZX3.... well i dont. cause i own a focus and im proude of it. isentintheclowns02-09-2006, 11:07 PMi knew it z28s arent camaros, it all makes sense now Poney02-10-2006, 12:10 AM^^rofmlao and cobras arent mustangs. i get it now ! fat pat02-10-2006, 01:45 PMyes, the svt focus is a focus...and i dont try to state that its not a focus...cause its retarded not to...when people ask what i drive, i tell them svt focus, when they dont know what that is..i say a focus hatchback but, if it werent for the svt, i never wouldve considered a focus. a normal zx3 has absolutely no appeal to me blacknfastsvt02-10-2006, 02:17 PMnormal zx3 are butt ugly FocusInAlaska02-10-2006, 02:24 PMI've re-read most of the posts and I see a couple of trends; 1. Humble; "It's a nice car." and "I'm glad to own one" or "I would like to own one" 2. Non-SVT pride; "I took a car and built it into the car I want". 3. Aggressive; "I drive an SVT, and all the other Foci are junk" or "I built (or have a friend) who has a non-SVT that will smoke the SVT POS". I think that the vocal advocates in the third group have shouted down the owners with simple quiet pride in their SVT's, and I personally don't like the image that shines through to the others in this community. I can't speak for other SVT owners, but I haven't lost sight of where this car fits in to the automotive world. It's finest attributes are almost to subtle for words. It's not worth shouting about. BCESVT102-10-2006, 02:33 PMThis thread needs to be closed. WD4002-10-2006, 02:35 PMYes, pretty much everything's been said that could be said. Another SVTF vs non SVTF thread gone to the crapper... CLOSED