: Whee, new 65mm FC T/B
11-04-2005, 03:11 PM
I am stoked, this thing looks awesome sitting in my engine bay... not to mention that it matches the rest of my Spidey Theme! [:D] Pedal feel is wonderful, much 'sturdier' than stock... install was pretty easy. It would have been VERY easy had it not been for the fact that I only ordered one band clamp and not two...
Good thing I had an extra...enjoy! I know I will!! [:p]
11-04-2005, 03:13 PM
looks sik!!! improve your throttle response? im looking to get 1 for my SVT. gotta luv the cleanliness!
11-04-2005, 03:26 PM
Looks great I bet it feels great too. I'm getting one in a few weeks from a member here. Did the clamps that came with your intake not fit over the new t/b? Or did you just order a blue one because you liked the look?
Dang that looks sweet!
I like the blue/red combo...spidey theme...[thumb]
I'd like see a little more in depth performance/drivability write up as you get more miles on it. [;)]
11-04-2005, 03:38 PM
I love how you can make it whistle really loud.
11-04-2005, 04:17 PM
coupler over coupler on the TB? dont they sell a single coupler so you can use the 65mm tb with a single silicone coupling?
11-04-2005, 04:32 PM
They do, but you can go to pepboys or autozone and get a second coupler for about $3 and fit one inside the other.
11-04-2005, 06:41 PM
Hmmm... I just swapped the couplers when I put my Steeda intake on. I put the larger one on the throttle body and the smaller one on the filter. Sure it took some stretching, but it worked for me.
Gotta love how "weird" the pedal feel is with having an aftermarket throttle body. Enjoy!
11-04-2005, 10:40 PM
Cool, thanks for the comments guys! Let's see if I can respond to all of them...
Yes, Throttle Response is indeed increased, I just wish it would rev down as quickly as it revs up! [;)] My K&N Intake clamps were much too small to fit over the new TB, which I thought was really cool, they actuall fit inside of the opening of the TB... [:D]
FC no longer offers the TB in Aluminum Blue anymore for the SVTf, only Black...I got super lucky and snagged mine from essveetee a few days ago for a rock bottom price. Normally, they go for $250, he shipped it to me for $140... [headbang]
As for the coupler inside the coupler, I didn't see any other way to hook it up... I ordered the steeda coupler from c-f-m.com for the enlarged TB and when I started messing around with installation (I had no instructions), I came to the conclusion that this was the best/most secure way to install...
I took many pics, so if you all would like me to write up a How-To, I would be glad to do so!! [:D] I know they already have one, but no offense...mine would be much more thorough and in depth... [:p]
And yes, 'weird' pedal feel is right... definitely gotta get used to that. Feels like I'm learning to drive a stick all over again... [rofl]
Thanks again for all of the comments, guys... ya'll freaking rock!! [thumb]
11-05-2005, 12:44 AM
Thanks for posting this up... Maybe I should get one.
11-05-2005, 10:14 AM
yup, i love my FC TB definatley felt the difference in the throttle right away............basically had to re learn how to drive it, because at first you will be giving it a little bit more gas than needed.............and i like your engine bay, really clean and nice lookin [thumb]
11-05-2005, 10:30 AM
Looks awesome!!! Not only does add to your cars performance, but it makes it even more spiderific under there!!
11-05-2005, 11:45 AM
That's great u got a blue one to keep the whole 'Spidey' theme going! [thumb] I have a question, if you're going FI would you want the 65 mm TB?
11-05-2005, 12:11 PM
Sweet! Thanks for the comments, dudes! You ROCK... [headbang] Not too sure about the FI issue, but what could having more air hurt? [;)]
11-05-2005, 01:19 PM
I bought an enlarged coupling for mine but with some work the K&N one fit. Dunno. The only drawback to the part is having to run DSP in auto-x and getting killed in that class, lol. So blue got axed huh.....nice!
11-05-2005, 01:35 PM
I did actually get the K&N coupler on, but it felt like it would kill someone if it poppped off... so I just used the Steeda one. [:p]
11-05-2005, 01:40 PM
but it felt like it would kill someone if it poppped off
Very accurate description, lol! I was thinking to order the Steeda piece since I have to put all these parts back on teh car when I get in. Dude if you start playing with the throttle from the engine bay side with that intake you can get it to make the most awesome sounds! It's like the guitar I never had [rofl]
11-05-2005, 04:35 PM
Anybody have a good fix for a sticky TB? I think that's what I'm experiencing... it's really hard to just cruise along, if I let up on the gas just a bit, it jerks forward a tad, same with giving it just a little bit of gas... or is that normal, and I just need to get used to it? [;)]
11-05-2005, 04:59 PM
Dunno John, I never had that problem.
11-05-2005, 06:43 PM
Well, you're no help... [:D]
11-06-2005, 12:44 AM
11-06-2005, 01:32 PM
Anybody have a good fix for a sticky TB? I think that's what I'm experiencing... it's really hard to just cruise along, if I let up on the gas just a bit, it jerks forward a tad, same with giving it just a little bit of gas...
I've heard others complain about sticky TB's on here as well. Any of you who've had this problem care to comment? I'm kinda curious now
11-06-2005, 01:53 PM
After a bit of searching on these awesome forums (/shamless plug for FF) here are a few tips I learned:
A bit of wd40 on the Spring Mechanism
Some cleaning on the inside of the TB, get rid of the 'ring' of gunk
Some Graphite powder in 'sticky' places
Adjusting the Idle Screw to make better contact with the 'hammer' plate.
I shall probably try these in the order that they appear...I shall let you guys know how it turns out!
Oh, so did you all want me to Write up another How-To for the installation of the SVTf TB? The one posted is for the reg Zetec... and I could post better pics and stuff.
11-06-2005, 06:08 PM
Go for it playa! [thumb]
11-06-2005, 07:01 PM
Dude do not mess with the idle screw!
11-06-2005, 10:59 PM
^^^Is it that big of a deal? Wow, thanks for the warning...I was just about to toy with it... [:)]
11-06-2005, 11:09 PM
I just can recall over the years so many owners having issues after adjusting it. Can't recall a specific incident but the impression has been made. Just do some more homework before you go that route man.
11-06-2005, 11:14 PM
I just got done with the WD40 try out... it definitely helped a bit, but there is still a sort of 'catch' in the first mash of the throttle... dunno, maybe I should just soak it in WD40... [;)]
11-06-2005, 11:18 PM
I dunno man, mine was very precise with no issues, kind of stumped as to what it is with yours. Maybe my car is just that much better [:D]
Thing I love about it: I live in Colorado back in the world and of course it's cold as hell every morning. After install cold start RPMs dropped very appreciably.
11-06-2005, 11:24 PM
Darn you...maybe it's in the tune as well...hmm, I'll have to shoot Wayne a pm.
11-06-2005, 11:47 PM
Hey Chuck, have you tried stomping on the gas pedal all of a sudden just to see how what would happen with the new TB? The engine totally freaks out with all of the new air and sort of 'coughs'... crazy.
So, on the morrow, I shall toss on some more WD40 and try some graphite powder to see the results of that...
Then we'll try deeper cleaning....hope that fixes it.
11-06-2005, 11:49 PM
Dude I've hit 140 in the car and usually "stomp" on the pedal about 50% of the time, lol. Like I said man, no issues, nothing but improved pedal feel.
Oh yeah, I've hit 141. Beat that, biotch.
11-08-2005, 12:39 AM
I've got pictures, lol [;)]
11-08-2005, 12:41 AM
[nono] [offtopic] [chair] .... [;)] ...
My car would beat your car. [:D]
11-08-2005, 12:43 AM
I only have but one thing to say to you John-Michael:
11-08-2005, 12:46 AM
Ha, I would soooo rather my regular SVT seats... [paranoid]
11-08-2005, 12:49 AM
But that solid black seat would make for a great Venom theme [;)]
11-08-2005, 12:52 AM
I think I would also feel a little weird having a seat wrapped around me who was named after some random Mexican dude... [;)]
11-08-2005, 01:01 AM
don't hate....appreciate! Uh-oh, someones jealous [:D]
11-08-2005, 01:02 AM
Of what? We've got the same car sillyhead! [:D]
11-08-2005, 01:06 AM
11-08-2005, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by thefrush
Recaro is actually German. [;)]
Like me! [thumb] So, really Chuck, your seats belong in muah's ride...I'm more deserving of them because of my heritage! So, if you'll be so kind:
11054 Terri Drive
Hammond, Louisiana 70403
I'll pay for the shipping, but I expect a good wrap job on your part... [:D]
Ok, that TB looks badasstacular!
11-08-2005, 01:52 PM
Cool word! Thank you! [:D]
11-08-2005, 01:55 PM
I like mine better.......it actually works [rofl]
Hey John you ever get that kink worked out?
11-08-2005, 01:57 PM
har har... [;)]
It's almost there. So far, it was part sticky/part tune... I just uploaded Wayne's newest, and we'll go from there.
11-11-2005, 03:30 AM
nice john! i thought it would come out lookin pretty good with that new TB. glad to see you happy with the performance also. now you just need that blue oil cap i told you about :o)
11-11-2005, 05:28 AM
Wow i'm dissapointed, i went through 2 pages and not once did someone mention HP the 2 magic letters that fit so nicely togheter.
This is the SVT performance Chat section!
Where the numbers @!
Seriouslly though what kind of increase in HP is it good for?
11-11-2005, 09:03 AM
Not really bought for the HP...maybe 1-2 at the wheels. Wanted for the increased throttle response and awesome pedal feel. Linked up with an aftermarket intake, the sound is better and the added air flow smooths the idle even more... [;)]
11-11-2005, 12:22 PM
I have the silver 65mm t/bs in stock for the SVT if anyone is interested.
11-11-2005, 03:31 PM
1-2 hp increase only, for the price I don't think it's worth it.
To me that is, it's not worth it [:(] , unless you can get it for the 140 you got it for.....
No, that thing does NO good on the stock SVTF. Don't waste any money. Anyone wanna buy one? There is NO aftermarket part that helps the SVTF perform any better than it does stock (other than a turbo or sc). I have all of the parts for sale. The SVTF is a poor platform to try to hop up. I will drive mine for a long time, but I will not waste money trying to make it anything that it is not!!!!
11-11-2005, 09:06 PM
Some people are only out to see gains, HP gains and while that isn't a bad thing it's not true for all of us. This part enhances the driveability of the car and that's something that some of us appreciate. I hold the TB in very high regards and reccomend it. Now as to the cost to worth equation, that's entirely up to you and your perception of the value of money.
11-11-2005, 09:33 PM
When I think performance, I think more hp/tq.......
When I think handling, I think lower center of gravity, ride quality, driving functions.......
I don't think the TB goes under either of those because it doesn't make it faster or drive any different.....if I had a mtx, I would think it was worth it because it makes shifting and rev matching a simple thing.....but when I have a computer shifting for me......I don't think this part would benefit me or my car or anyone else with an atx.
11-11-2005, 09:37 PM
If nothing else it looks pretty fly under the hood [:D]
There is no doubt that the parts look good "under the hood". The SVTF is a fine car but it is not built to build big HP. It is what is what it is!!!
11-11-2005, 10:12 PM
arob wish i had the extra. i would more than love to take that T/B off your hands. to me any gain is good, i love the feel of a normaly aspirated eng. [thumb] soon JM very soon i will have my monster T/B..... muha (hint) evil smile[grinking]
11-11-2005, 10:23 PM
The size difference is obvious
11-12-2005, 02:15 AM
^^ Good point. I really like the aftermarket piece.
11-12-2005, 08:48 AM
That pic, Chuck, illustrates my only bad point about the new TB...I so wish it had the double coiled spring of the stock TB, I just think that is a much more integrated idea than just a plain spring...
11-12-2005, 02:00 PM
question for you 65mm TB users...
My car has the following:
ORP &borla with hacked lunchbox
and I have my idle at approx 950 rpms. when it has totally settled down to about that area, I can quickly take my foot and push the pedal all the way to the floor and it never gets above 2k! If I am slow doing it, sometimes it just barely goes over 2k rpm, but usually around 1900.
I am not sure what a stock svt does (not sure what the tune changes relative to this test) but just curious what your results are?
One thing that really REALLY bothers me about our beloved svts, is how slow the revs drop. Sometimes I like to take first or 2nd up to 4-5k while just cruising around, but then it takes an eterinity for me to be able to let the clutch out to rev match in the next gear.
11-12-2005, 02:21 PM
Definitely feel your pain with the slow return to idle, but not too sure what you mean with the no being able to get about 2k rpm...no probs here, and I have Waynes tune as well.
11-12-2005, 02:22 PM
Oh, and the TB does help a bit with the slow return to idle...definitely revs much easier, but just not both ways... [;)]
11-12-2005, 04:00 PM
Ok next time you are in your car (anybody in general if you feel like doing this im curious as to your results)
get the car warmed up. have clutch in (or in neutral) just have the car at its lowest idel. Take your foot and jab the gas pedal (all the way to the floor as quickly as you can and let off as quick as you can) what rpm does it get to in that time?
11-12-2005, 05:26 PM
^^^Oh, you're referring to when the car 'gulps' to much air...yeah, I've experienced that with the new TB. Too much air actually gets let in and the car wigs out and doesn't know what to do with it. [;)]
11-12-2005, 05:52 PM
you guys ever look closly at the stock TB. the butter fly seems to have a wedge shape to it in th FC 65mm is just flat and smooth. i never undertood that?!? i got mine in aluminum and i love it. only think i felt was the car catching better and not feeling like it was going to stall :o)
11-12-2005, 05:57 PM
Yeah, there's all sorts of weird cutout's and dimples in the stock TB...never understood that...
11-12-2005, 09:49 PM
Anyone with an Focus Central SVT throttle body for sale, PM me.
11-13-2005, 09:58 AM
lol no im not talking about when the car gulps too much air...
everybody do this next time you are driving: Ill make this as easy as cooking a pop-tart :)
1. get in and start car
2. warm car up
3. when vehicle is parked with engine running (clutch in or in neutral)
4. STAB throttle- push it all the way to the floor and release as fast as you can. (goal is to just make it tap the floor, not hold it down, just do the push/release motion as fast as you can)
5. note the highest rpms it gets to in this process (mine was like 1900 :( )
ok so poptarts are a bit easier than that, but I think everyone can handle this :)
*PS* I too am on the hunt for a used FC TB
SLIP STREAM SVT
11-13-2005, 11:23 AM
but what exactly is the point of doing this? this reminds me of when i have to down shift and i give the gas a quick stab to rev match the lower gear. but what exactly is this point of doing it in neutral?
11-13-2005, 01:04 PM
^^^Not too sure why he wants to do it in idle either...maybe to show off a bit? It is cool to be able to rev that much quicker with the upgraded TB, but I still don't get why he wants to do it with one punch of the throttle...it's not V8, that's for sure. [;)]
The FC TB definitely aids in rev matching though! [:D]
11-13-2005, 08:36 PM
I dont have a 65mm TB...thats why. I want to know how much difference it makes RIGHT off idle (where it REALLY needs it)
THATS why im asking!!!! lol
And beleive me in NO way am I showing off...stabbing the throttle all the way to the floor and letting off as quick as I can it only gets up to about 1800ish rpms...nothing to brag about here!