ok should i go w/ a

procharger hp/tq?

toms full kit hp/tq?

precision hp/tq

roush hp/tq?

are you doing internals if not,

all the below numbers are estimates with a really good tune

procharger 200/200

toms up to 300/200-300

precision 250/250????

roush 225/200-250???

prochargers are moking 200lb/ft while making 200fwhp???

please show me that dyno. :)

Powerworks,Powerworks,Powerworks,Powerworks,Powerworks,Powerworks.

When I get the money I am buying a kit myself.

its between toms and procharger. procharger's has a very clean setup. and toms, well its turbo, nuf said.

I will asure you of far better seat of the pasts feel from my tubo kit than ANY supercharger on the market

Tom

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
I will asure you of far better seat of the pasts feel from my tubo kit than ANY supercharger on the market

Tom


...Ditto...

Originally posted by scrammer
procharger's has a very clean setup.

[rofl] [rofl]

i don't know what Prochargers you have been looking at but "CLEAN" is definately not how i would describe how the procharger is setup. [screwy]

The new Car and Driver mag just did a shoot out of 4bangers and the powerworks zx3 got spanked. I so wish they had a turbo'd focus in there to represent.

^^^Yea it said in the article the PW Focus ran a 15.2? WTF is that shit? Goat Roper runs a 14.6 (?) with almost half the freakin horsepower. Is it because the PW kit gives no TQ or what? Kind of almost makes me want to say f[:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)] the PW kit and just go with Tom's Full Kit.

I would say maybe driver error? Although you would think that they would have a professional driver...whatever the reason, it was just sad.

I think I am sold on turbo...only disadvantage I see to turbo is spool time. Better torque though.

^^^Whatever the deal was, that was just plain pathetic, with the numbers PW is supposedly putting down out of the box. I hear you on the turbo; I thought I was sold on the PW kit, but after seeing that article, and other reading, I'm being pushed closer and closer to Toms Kit.

Originally posted by ..:: sleestak ::..

I think I am sold on turbo...only disadvantage I see to turbo is spool time. Better torque though.

If this is whats stopping you, dont let it , It isnt an issue as much as people make it out to be , there will allways be what it called lag but if the turbo is properly sized and the turbo kit is built correctly that this isnt an issue to worry about because you wont feel it , It may be there but you will not feel it with my kit

I asked this in another post that PW was answering questions , It was my understanding that the PW car also could not reach the 130MPH that was needed in the event , WHY ? , It was not answered before

Tom

Originally posted by ..:: sleestak ::..
The new Car and Driver mag just did a shoot out of 4bangers and the powerworks zx3 got spanked. I so wish they had a turbo'd focus in there to represent.

MAYBE they didn't want a CLEAR winner ...

sleestak, ....aahh Lag ? let me assure you it's misinformation by people who DON'T wan't you to get one..[:D]

EnigmaZV has a PW and ran a 14.6 and believes he can do better with more practice.

Click here (http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57540)


Was that one in the article the automatic PW kit ?


Only thing that detered me from turbo is emissions. My state is strict and I can't take chances on not passing.

Also, when the turbo spools up, your engine is getting a rush of air with causes the spike in power. Not sure what this surge does to an engine compared to an SC that delivers air in a linear fashion.

Remember that with turbo, you'll want to get some gauges to monitor the engines vitals to assure that everything is working fine.

btw:
Who has $5K to drop on a PW SC ?
Not a lot of us.
Most of us scrounge to get $3K over a period of time. took me 2 years to save that much.

i've seen a few things about these auto kits. . .. but what's really involved with them? any one know what's going to make them different than your typical PW kit? i'd love to get one of these if it isn't going to ruin my tranny in like 2 weeks.

..btw....NO WHINING...

Originally posted by focuson03
i've seen a few things about these auto kits. . .. but what's really involved with them? any one know what's going to make them different than your typical PW kit? i'd love to get one of these if it isn't going to ruin my tranny in like 2 weeks.
I believe they tune it for some decent HP but cut way back on the TQ, which is what the auto tranny can't handle.
So, you might go faster but you might not feels as much as an mtx tranny PW's kit.

You might be better off getting the JRSC+BBK if you have an auto tranny.
I would call FR and see if they provide a tune safe for an auto tranny.
They only cost $2795(shipped) compares to the PW $4700+ price tag.

Also, the stock mtx tranny is spec'd to handle about 165 lbs of TQ at the crank.
So, the PW kit is pushing it's limits too.

that's what i had assumed with the TQ numbers. i don't want the car to be crazy fast, just quicker than it is now. . .. looks like it's time to start saving

Originally posted by project2point
ok should i go w/ a

procharger hp/tq?

toms full kit hp/tq?

precision hp/tq

roush hp/tq?

P2P ...So what do you want from your ride?? gratification or wishing for more....

Originally posted by microtonal

Also, when the turbo spools up, your engine is getting a rush of air with causes the spike in power. Not sure what this surge does to an engine compared to an SC that delivers air in a linear fashion.

Remember that with turbo, you'll want to get some gauges to monitor the engines vitals to assure that everything is working fine.


The rush/surge of air does no ill effects to the engine of any kind

And with a turbo NO more gauges are needed than with any other type of FI , It all comes down to what the customer wants , In fact NO gauges are realy needed for turbo at all once you set your boost

Tom

The PW tune is a custom tune to the Focus it isnt stock by anymeans , So it is custom even if its the origional one that PW custom flashes into the PCM

Tom

I saw that PW car run on car & driver mag on TV this week end and I think they said it hit the stock speed limiter at 108 and that is why it would not reach the 130 min. Kind of sucks that PW would not change this in the flash of the ECU, but I guess Ford would not give them the ok to do it. They also said it handled like a pig on the track. They loved it on the street and it got the best rating for the street. Just not the all out track car like the HKS Evo that won.

i still love my PC with its 206 whp and 197.9 on tq even though i know with a better tune i could get more but before that the original chip with the glitch it had 206wtq and 209 whp at 5200 rpm but the place didnt tune revolution diablo chips so i had to get another chip and they didnt bother to tune they just programed it and drop it in and dynoed it but its cool when i get to hawaii ill get it retuned

Tom,
i guess your definition and mine are different.
i consider any generic tune that comes with any kit "standard" and a "custom" tune is made specificly for THAT car, the mods that are on THAT car while THAT car is on the dyno.

what PW has is a Tuning solution like any other decent FI option.
the PW tune is "custom" in that it is not running factory specs on fuel and timing but i do consider it an "off-the-shelf" tune.

call it what you will, that is how i see it.

Tparker,
what was the suspension setup for the track?
i haven't seen the show or read the artical yet...?

They didn't say on the show but it looked stock.