Hey whats up everybody. has anybody herd any "inside" news on the cams that are being made for the svt? im going to have to maybe throw down on a set when they come out haha. no but im glad they are finally making a set. even though im pretty happy with the stock set up. im iching to see the changes made. but yeah if anybody has any information on them somehow that would be cool.

Someone posted some dyno results of them, they weren't that impressive at all.

although the peak numbers were no 20 hp or anything, the extended power curve up top looked very very fun. the guy said the car had tons more grunt and made hella power up top and the dynos did not do justice to the driving experience.

Off topic but Daeron, I love and hate your avatar man LOL .... it's funny, but also sadly true for those big truck and SUV owners :-(

oh ok..hmm well yeah they need to go ahead and hurry up and make them. im sure applied with other mods it can really make the cams speak a little more.

i would sure as hell jump at a pair of em. i'd be cool to have a built n/a svt, but there just isn't the parts to do it, and the internals are already forged so its easy to go with a boost, ya know?

My experience with FS and their cams has been exceptional. If these cams are in line with what the Kent Zetec cams did for my car, they will be alot of fun.

cams are always much better then they " appear" on a dyno. Peak power is usually much better in the upper rpm where power tends to drop off. u jsut have to justify spending a grand on teh cams and the installation.

the schrick cams in my vr6 gave me "only" 8 hp across the board consistent, but from 6k -7200, it increased 25hp.

let me tell you, that extra 25 hp past the old hp peak makes itself known with a vengence.

all motor build ups are really fun. Nice to compare to a FI car. Id be willing to bet that with nice cams, catback, cai, pulleys, tune and TB...youd be at 200whp no problem. 200whp in a NA car feels a helluva lot different then a FI car

^^^ I am a bit biased, but I completely agree.

I thought the cams gained a bit of power, but lost torque... could be thinking of someone or something else, but I thought it was a set of cams for the SVT.

the more aggressive the cam profile then the more power you will " lose" in the lower RPMS. Youre not exactly losing it, but shifting everything up higher in the rev range.

Its a trade off, ive always found it worthwhile to get more high end hp at the sacrafice of a few lbft of torque down low. Not that big a deal. When youre TRYING to go fast, youre shifting higher anyway

waiting on the cams to be released from R&D I have a head I am waiting to get ported and polished and add the cams, after that I plan on building a short block and dropping the compression down to about 8 to 8.5 and putting the jrsc with the big boost kit. any one done this yet would like some numbers before but if not doesnt hurt to be the first right?

yeah i was thinking of the same. but going with a turbo set up if i cant figure out the ITB thing

id be interested to see what all the basic bolt ons with the cams would put up

Spec3VR6 i see you have a corrado which means i now hate you.lol i always wanted one....still do..... damn you!

i sold it. and it was an animal once i got serious with the engine work. All motor 185 whp.

i bet it was a sad day when you sold it.i love VW

i second that. my friend has one so im constantly trying to get him drunk and talk him into giving it to me...just kidding. really cool car though

its even worse when i found what the kid did to it after i bought it....


first he mishifted, bent 6 valves, and trashed the race shop head....


but..he rebuilt it to 2.9 liter, euro intake manifold, vortec charger pushing 12 lbs...rebuilt tranny with 3.94 final, quaife, and flyhwheel....wilwood brakes, thing is totally insane, pushing like 290whp[eek]

hes thinking of selling it, so i might buy it back with charger and all.

Cams made for NA will hurt you if you use them and go FI, NA cams have overlap to help get the exhaust out of the cylinder. FI doesn't like overlap since you end up blowing boost out the exhaust[thumb]

A little off the subject...

What really pisses me off is Cosworth can make the 2.3L put out more than 240 whp (NA)... Ford rants and raves about how advanced the 2.0L we have is but no after market company can make a kit that comes close the the 2.3L figures...

Mind you the 240 whp isn't the highest stage kit they have...

Comments:

i totally agree man. those duratec kits look very, very impressive. even the 200hp kit made over 170 at the wheels. i find it hard to believe that the very people that designed our engines couldn't make such kits for the svt 2.0. I'm sure if you could find a Cosworth racing dealer/vendor they would be able to build your engine up, but packages offered in stages like the 2.3 D would be sweet.

Its been a while since I've been around, and it seems very little has changed with these cams. Funny, I was ready to buy these with money in hand for about two years now. One set back after another. It's really a shame that no one else has taken the ball on this one (well, aside from Piper, but they are hard to get over here). I've been really let down by FS on this one.

Oh well, looks like I'll go back to Vortex for a while....someone let me know when the SVT's dismal aftermarket begins to perk. It's a shame a car with this much potential and a crowd of owners with money get nothing. Oh well, pardon my rant.[:)]

Originally posted by essveetee
Its been a while since I've been around, and it seems very little has changed with these cams. Funny, I was ready to buy these with money in hand for about two years now. One set back after another. It's really a shame that no one else has taken the ball on this one (well, aside from Piper, but they are hard to get over here). I've been really let down by FS on this one.

Oh well, looks like I'll go back to Vortex for a while....someone let me know when the SVT's dismal aftermarket begins to perk. It's a shame a car with this much potential and a crowd of owners with money get nothing. Oh well, pardon my rant.[:)]

^^ Agreed

ahhh vortex...those were the days.

Originally posted by essveetee
Its been a while since I've been around, and it seems very little has changed with these cams. Funny, I was ready to buy these with money in hand for about two years now. One set back after another. It's really a shame that no one else has taken the ball on this one (well, aside from Piper, but they are hard to get over here). I've been really let down by FS on this one.

Oh well, looks like I'll go back to Vortex for a while....someone let me know when the SVT's dismal aftermarket begins to perk. It's a shame a car with this much potential and a crowd of owners with money get nothing. Oh well, pardon my rant.[:)]

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry, it will probably fall on deaf ears. I just saw a post over on the jet that was locked...it was someone asking FS about the cams. Of course, he politely said he's not working on them now...not a priority. Makes me feel warm inside[:(]

I dunno, maybe I just have a hard time believing that its money better spent developing a supercharger kit for the regular zetec than cams for the SVT. To be honest, I don't remember seeing too much of a power difference between the SVT w/ cams and the blown zetec...it may have only been stage 1, but still. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that one. I can't speak of development costs for either project, but I'd be eager to see the budget.

Maybe this comes off as whining, especially to the duratec guys and gals, but I think we've been pretty patient. These cams have been rumored for well over two years now and the last SVT rolled off the production line quite some time ago. I'm beginning to wonder if we've already seen most (if not all) of our aftermarket support. I know, its pessimistic....maybe its just the weather.

Actually, I'm getting ready to buy another engine for my VW, but if the cams were for sale tonight I'd buy them. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone....but then again, maybe I'm naive.

A good set of turbo cams can make up to 25whp, that would put me at the 350whp mark which is my goal[thumb]

Goat Roper -

Are your cams from Kent specifically for the SVT? I noticed on BAT's website that they have some rather aggressive cams, and I was thinking about getting them.

For everyone one else, here's the links if anyone is interested.
http://www.batinc.net/focus.htm
http://64.202.180.37/files/fengine.pdf

Goat doesn't have an SVT.

hmm well at leaste they have the "in development" on the website ha. thats a sign maybe they will be out in a few more years or somthing.

FS cams, coming summer of 09!





[[poke]


hah, i wouldnt doubt it, I was looking at them when i first got my focus, it seems everyone that wanted these, has either moved onto Forced induction, or moved onto different projects[8]


oh well...

i got cash in hand for these now and will i every see them..who knows i agree with everything that was said in this thread so far and FS really needs to help us out...because i think the aftermarket for the SVT is alomost over not that it really started i believe we really got short sticked...i mean i love my svt but it should of came factory FI in my opinion...and then the aftermarket sucked...just my 2 cents...

agreed

Those bastages need to get on the ball and get us our damn CAMS!! lol This does suck because I want a set too, I'm a horsepower junkie and I need a new fix LOL

haha dito.

I'll have to keep checking this thread. Looks like I'm going to sell my SVT and parts to move on to bigger and better things...oh well, good luck waiting.

Put the turbo kit on and stop waiting for "new cams coming soon" from years back

It looks like some Focus Co. opted to make Fusion parts before Focus parts , I guess for some Co. its all about the money

Tom

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
Put the turbo kit on and stop waiting for "new cams coming soon" from years back

It looks like some Focus Co. opted to make Fusion parts before Focus parts , I guess for some Co. its all about the money

Tom

I can't argue with someone looking to make a profit, but I can when they hype a product up for years and then release them to a select few but then pull the product...makes no sense. Should have either A. followed through, or B. never even mentioned the cams.

I didnt post it for the profit i posted to go tubo because it is there , done by a Co still supporting the SVT , still making new stuff for it and still making good power and looking for more where everyone else has given up or is "still to come"

Tom

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
I didnt post it for the profit i posted to go tubo because it is there , done by a Co still supporting the SVT , still making new stuff for it and still making good power and looking for more where everyone else has given up or is "still to come"

Tom

I know what you meant, I think you misunderstood my statement...or maybe I didn't clarify well enough. I was referring to FS looking to make a profit with the Fusion.

Maybe you should look into developing some cams...

I have looked into it and have some good cams , My money is limited as to how much i can afford to spend on putting stuff into production , I cant spend 5000 to do cams when i need 15,000 to do the new turbo kits

Tom

Yeah, I understand. Coupled with the fact that the SVT is deceased and was a limited production vehicle anyway, I can understand. Sucks, but oh well.

A couple of months back a "little birdie" told me that GUDE has some SVT turbo cams and they did pretty well.

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
Put the turbo kit on and stop waiting for "new cams coming soon" from years back

It looks like some Focus Co. opted to make Fusion parts before Focus parts , I guess for some Co. its all about the money

Tom

Another priceless post from Tom. [:D]

Don't worry buddy, our Fusion turbo kit will be adapted for the 2.0 and 2.3 litre Focus. [thumb]

Randy,

since you found this thread...I'd like to know: will svt cams ever come out? Doesn't really matter to me now that my svt is getting traded, but I'd still like to know. Your VW parts have been excellent over the years and I'll remain a customer. But, needless to say, I've been disappointed with the cams situation.

They might, but to be fair I'm going to pull them off the site next week. [:)]

randy with the pwn3d... all hope is lost now... so kent doesnt make cams for the ST170???

I'm going to california... procuring the test cams... then to chihuahua mexico where our motors are built, and jacking a bunch of cam blanks... and turning them on a lathe... until we have... enough

If we were sport compact car... would we have a better chance of trying these things???

Mexico doesn't have any more cams, I checked into that a long time ago. I have a few options, but it takes a long time to get answers, so as was noted, I'll be taking the cams off the site. If they ever go back on, it will be because they are ready for sale.

Originally posted by FocusSportVP

Don't worry buddy, our Fusion turbo kit will be adapted for the 2.0 and 2.3 litre Focus. [thumb]

Worry , L O L O L O L O L Yea right , Come out with what ever Focus Turbo kit you want ill still kick you butt from here to Ca and back

So your adapting the Fusion kit to the Focus where im making a TRUE Focus Dura kit , Where is your loyalty to your Focus customers , Or is the Fusion more profitable

You said it i didnt

My Fusion kit will also be strictly for the Fusion but the Focus kit comes first because that is where my loyalty is to my base customers and again you will have your hands full if you think you can take me on with turbos all this coming from a Co that there "best" FI kit has been a kit that produces little to no power and makes some of the highest IAT in the Focus FI buisness


As for the SVT cams , Ford has a special process where they freeze ALL the SVT cam blanks to make them harder BEFORE/AFTER the grind is done , when you regrind them it takes this away and SVT cams fail , it isnt a good idea

Tom

Originally posted by rednblackSVT
randy with the pwn3d...

What thread was that in, must have missed it [dunno]

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
Worry , L O L O L O L O L Yea right , Come out with what ever Focus Turbo kit you want ill still kick you butt from here to Ca and back

So your adapting the Fusion kit to the Focus where im making a TRUE Focus Dura kit , Where is your loyalty to your Focus customers , Or is the Fusion more profitable

You said it i didnt

My Fusion kit will also be strictly for the Fusion but the Focus kit comes first because that is where my loyalty is to my base customers and again you will have your hands full if you think you can take me on with turbos all this coming from a Co that there "best" FI kit has been a kit that produces little to no power and makes some of the highest IAT in the Focus FI buisness


As for the SVT cams , Ford has a special process where they freeze ALL the SVT cam blanks to make them harder BEFORE/AFTER the grind is done , when you regrind them it takes this away and SVT cams fail , it isnt a good idea

Tom

Is it bad if we make our Fusion kit also work on the Focus? Do you have a problem with the Fusion or something? We have new Focus products coming out this month, so I don't think anyone can say we've turned our backs on the Focus. [;)]

The Fusion more profitable? I wouldn't know, we haven't sold anything yet. We're just getting started. It may tank or it may take off, we'll see. I hope you're not insinuating that you've never made parts for any other cars and don't ever intend to, because we both know that isn't true.

Anyway, I seem to have hit a nerve with you in regards to the Duratec turbo. It can't be that bad, Ford thought we did a good enough job to give us an "oustanding design achievement" award at SEMA.

You get so worked up over this stuff, it makes me laugh. [hihi] Relax, grab a cold one, catch the rest of the Redskins game. [:)]

I never knew Randy was a sponsor here

*runs off to check the FF sponsor list*

[???:)]

Originally posted by FocusSportVP
Relax, grab a cold one, catch the rest of the Redskins game. [:)]

This is a good game, Brunell actually looks good!

OK, back on topic.

Agreed, very good game! Go Skins!!!

Originally posted by FocusSportVP
Is it bad if we make our Fusion kit also work on the Focus?

Bad , Thats up to you guys and your customers , I dont take parts made for another car and make them work on other cars , If i am going to do it i am going to try my best to do it right and make it for what it is going on , If i cannot build a better Turbo kit than what is on the market than i wont build a Turbo kit for that car , That is why focus-power is building a turbo kit for the Focus then for the Fusion

As for the competition I love it it allways makes my kit look better

As for the nerve you hit that was my funny bone as for the Dura Turbo kits goes any Co. can make a turbo kit look at gude

Tom

Don't get cranky Tom. [hihi]

The Fusion has a Duratec engine as does the Focus. Our cast turbo manifold obviously works on both per our design - it wasn't a mistake. Most of the tubing will just cross over from the Fusion to the Focus, though I'm sure all of it won't fit. Whatever doesn't jive, we'll make adjustments to work on both if possible. If not, then we'll have to treat the kits separately. If we can make our turbo kit work on more than one car, we can lower our price to our customers and absorb the R&D over 2 or 3 models instead of just one. It's just a smart business move and and a win/win for our customers as well as us. I don't think you'll hear anyone complaining that the kit doesn't cost enough. [:)]

That was a good game!!!!

Tom's right, it'd be much better to go turbo with your SVT than wait for the FS cams. Unless, of course, you want to be legal in CA (I know, cams wouldn't be strictly legal either, but they wouldn't get caught...). I guess it's NOT all about the customers instead of the profit when it comes to CARB certification ;)

someone earlier mentioned loosing down low and gaining up high, with the cams....in an SVT, I am not sure I want that, lol.

Originally posted by ..:: sleestak ::..
someone earlier mentioned loosing down low and gaining up high, with the cams....in an SVT, I am not sure I want that, lol.

You might lose a little but the gains are worth it. If you are NA, they are a worthwhile investment.

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
as for the Dura Turbo kits goes any Co. can make a turbo kit look at gude

Tom

good point[eek]

Let's keep on topic please...
The title of this thread is focusSport cams...

Please take the "turbo talk" to the appropriate forum area, and start a new thread if you must.
Thanks.

Originally posted by Goat Roper
You might lose a little but the gains are worth it. If you are NA, they are a worthwhile investment.

I'd only want to lose some bottom end if the torque curve is flattened out. Say the SVT makes 100 ft/lbs at 2000 and 145 at 5500. If it made 130 or so torque across the board (but made like 20+ peak hp), I'd take the loss. Not sure if the cams do that however...

Let's keep on topic please... The title of this thread is focusSport cams...

Yeah this thread went to hell [thumbd]

Originally posted by PapoSwing
Yeah this thread went to hell [thumbd]
same place those cams went.

same place the svt is in Focus Sports eyes i guess

Play nice people

maybe now they will be called Fusion Sport

^^depends on if they make money or not lol

LOL, great responses. The thread is dead anyway, production units do not exist, are not going to exist......end of story. All this despite promises and teasing to the contrary last year when it was made known they would soon be available.

Fusion Sport.....Duratech Sport, bleh! [xx(]

you would think with the interest just on here someone could try a little harder to make them. i see some money being made if someone would make them.

^^prolly for the most part the R&D cost for a small company such as Tom's or Wayne's would be way too much for selling to a limited number of cars

someone get me the cam profile that those focus sport cams were supposed to be, as for the heat/freeze treat process... i used to go to church with the guy who had the patent/company that does it , they sold it to ford as well as chrysler. and their r & d facility is in my town of Kennesaw, Georgia.... blanks are going to be sooo hard to find... but ima give it a shot

was the ST170 european motor also made in chihuahua?

probably not, the ST's engine were more likely built somewhere in Europe. I think there is a 2.0/2.3L plant in Valencia, Spain that was one of the sister plants to Chihauhau and Dearborn and Hiroshima.

Originally posted by rednblackSVT
someone get me the cam profile that those focus sport cams were supposed to be

Won't happen. They are custom ground for Focus Sport and they will not release specs on them.

soooooooo is FocusSport the only company we're expecting to see cams from?

^^im pretty sure they are the only ones unfortunately

Originally posted by H&Rzx3
soooooooo is FocusSport the only company we're expecting to see cams from?

Both Kent and Piper makes cams...I believe. I remember hearing somewhere that Kent was actually the ones doing the custom grinds for FS, so you might want to check with them. Unfortunately, I don't know who can get them in the US...you'll probably have to import them from the UK.

^^thanks dawg. and yet again.. US focus owners get the shaft! haha

so.. in other words... all we need are st170 cams from kent... i have friends/family in england... lets try any get some info pls... i dont know why i care... i'm fi

catcams has profiles on their website for the ST170. do a search for number 2291011 and click next. they have six profiles, some that incorporate the VCT, and some that require VCT elimination. go to www.catcams.be to look them up

gracias senor

cat cams seems to have a rather large selection. and they have a pretty decent rep in the honda community. someone should be a test bunny and spend the 600 bucks for some and tell us how they work out. best part is most cat cams dont need an upgraded vavletrain

I had cat cams on my ZX3 during 3 years and absolutly love thoses things.

I'll probably buy the SVT cams this spring, and of course let you know what's going on.

in reading on the catcams site... i really get the impression some of this is for those focus migdet class racecars... any midget people hang out on here? (check for political correctness)

I found this for the St170. Will it work on our cars?

Manufacturer : Piper Cams

Category : Piper Cams - Ford

Sub-category : 2.0 16V Focus ST170

Application : Ultimate Road Cams-Ex

Product Code: FOCSTBP285-Ex

Details : Not recommended for use with std injection.
Powerband : 2500-7500rpm ; Power increase : Not Specified
Inlet duration : 280 deg ; Exhaust duration : 264 deg
Inlet valve lift : .425"/10.80mm ; Exhaust valve lift : .380"/9.66mm
(Valve lifts quoted assume a rocker ratio of 1:1. )
Timing (Inlet open - close) / (Exhaust open - close) : 34-66/58-26
Inlet full lift (ATDC) : 106 deg ; Exhaust full lift (BTDC) : 106 deg
Valve clearances : Inlet = .010"/.25mm ; Exhaust = .012"/.30mm

Price: £204.10 inc VAT

Delivery: £12.00
Quantity:

Originally posted by Springbuck
I found this for the St170. Will it work on our cars?

Manufacturer : Piper Cams

Category : Piper Cams - Ford

Sub-category : 2.0 16V Focus ST170

Application : Ultimate Road Cams-Ex

Product Code: FOCSTBP285-Ex

Details : Not recommended for use with std injection.
Powerband : 2500-7500rpm ; Power increase : Not Specified
Inlet duration : 280 deg ; Exhaust duration : 264 deg
Inlet valve lift : .425"/10.80mm ; Exhaust valve lift : .380"/9.66mm
(Valve lifts quoted assume a rocker ratio of 1:1. )
Timing (Inlet open - close) / (Exhaust open - close) : 34-66/58-26
Inlet full lift (ATDC) : 106 deg ; Exhaust full lift (BTDC) : 106 deg
Valve clearances : Inlet = .010"/.25mm ; Exhaust = .012"/.30mm

Price: �204.10 inc VAT

Delivery: �12.00
Quantity:

It looks like a pretty aggressive setup. Not sure how that would fare on the street, but I guess it depends on where/how you drive and what your tolerance is. But, like it said, you're going to need to something with the fueling, whether it be tuning or a different hardware.

seems like it will work... get bigger injectors, someone order them... we all drive st170s in here... when is someone going to try them!??!?! im broke at the moment... waiting to win this 310 million dollar lottery... and then i will buy cams for all of you, and we will all have our cars shipped to tom, ... its going to be great... bleh

Originally posted by svtfiend
i would sure as hell jump at a pair of em. i'd be cool to have a built n/a svt, but there just isn't the parts to do it, and the internals are already forged so its easy to go with a boost, ya know?

The only things forged on our engines are the connecting rods. The crankshaft and block are cast iron, and the pistons are cast aluminum. Adding boost to our engines is very risky due to the high compression ratio (10.2:1).

Originally posted by BCESVT1
The only things forged on our engines are the connecting rods. The crankshaft and block are cast iron, and the pistons are cast aluminum. Adding boost to our engines is very risky due to the high compression ratio (10.2:1).

Not entirely a true statement, boost can be safely added within reason ask Turbo Tom he's got a focus SVT with some serious power running on a stock engine.

-Technyne

but tom is a magician.

10.2:1 comp really isnt that high[strongman]

Originally posted by myblacksvt
10.2:1 comp really isnt that high[strongman]

No, its not. But, it is higher that what is commonly used for forced induction applications.

Originally posted by essveetee
No, its not. But, it is higher that what is commonly used for forced induction applications.

[werd]

^^^^^whats weird???

i think thats werd

Originally posted by BCESVT1
The only things forged on our engines are the connecting rods. The crankshaft and block are cast iron, and the pistons are cast aluminum. Adding boost to our engines is very risky due to the high compression ratio (10.2:1).

03 orange is safely running 19psi on an all stock engine . . .

Originally posted by essveetee
Its been a while since I've been around, and it seems very little has changed with these cams. Funny, I was ready to buy these with money in hand for about two years now. One set back after another. It's really a shame that no one else has taken the ball on this one (well, aside from Piper, but they are hard to get over here). I've been really let down by FS on this one.

Oh well, looks like I'll go back to Vortex for a while....someone let me know when the SVT's dismal aftermarket begins to perk. It's a shame a car with this much potential and a crowd of owners with money get nothing. Oh well, pardon my rant.[:)]


AGREED AGREED AGREED...

Lets only hope someone important is getting the picture... (Please Cosworth, finish the damn kit allready...)

Originally posted by myblacksvt
10.2:1 comp really isnt that high[strongman]

My thoughts exactly, my old honda hatch ran 12:1 on 18psi w/ 721 to the wheels. (Race Gas of course) about 440 on 93 octane.

-Technyne

721WHP on 18psi? You must've been using nitrous or a huge amount of meth and hardcore timing to do that.

Originally posted by technyne
My thoughts exactly, my old honda hatch ran 12:1 on 18psi w/ 721 to the wheels. (Race Gas of course) about 440 on 93 octane.

-Technyne


What the hell did you have done to that bad boy? [eek]

Aside from that, I've been so pissed with the situation that I'm actually considering dropping $7-8k in the ride a dropping a 4.6L or 5.0L V8 and makin the thing RWD.... ([:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]* spending $5k on a super charger/turbo with less than 280hp at the wheels....come on $5k [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]*in grand from something like 215hp at the wheels (not exact numbers but close enough for Jackson's SC kit and others similar))

What I still dont understand is why (I'm sorry I have to go there and correct me if I'm wrong) HONDA can make 2.0L with 200+ hp NA engines THAT RUN ON 87 octane and Ford has to come up with "THE MOST ADVANCED" engine design and only come up with 170...ON 91!!!

I sell Fords and I'm a big fan but for Gods sakes, I hate to say it but we're (American Auto Makers) falling behind....

Ford (trust me I'm not hating I'm just being honest) is having this huge press release about their (our) new 3.5L that puts out (get this) 250hp.....Last time I checked, every [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]*in car our there now with a 3.5L puts out in excess of 270hp (on 87 octane)...and if you read the press release they make it sound like its the most advanced/efficient engine out there...

Sorry, I'm venting a little...what were we talking about?

Originally posted by mitchlguzin
What I still dont understand is why (I'm sorry I have to go there and correct me if I'm wrong) HONDA can make 2.0L with 200+ hp NA engines THAT RUN ON 87 octane and Ford has to come up with "THE MOST ADVANCED" engine design and only come up with 170...ON 91!!!

Hello, ever hear of torque? Honda and torque don't belong in the same sentence, unless you are talking about the lack of torque. While 145 ft/lbs isn't much to get your undies in a bundle, it's pretty decent for a little 2L 4-cylinder engine.

Also, 93 octane is only 8 cents more than 87 at the gas station I use to fill up. I go through probably 10 gallons of gas every week, so I spend less than a buck more filling up a week using 93.

Originally posted by mitchlguzin
Ford (trust me I'm not hating I'm just being honest) is having this huge press release about their (our) new 3.5L that puts out (get this) 250hp.....Last time I checked, every [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]*in car our there now with a 3.5L puts out in excess of 270hp (on 87 octane)...and if you read the press release they make it sound like its the most advanced/efficient engine out there...

I'll agree with you on this one. 250 is a let down, but if I compare it to the 3.1L V6 that was in my Sunbird (140 hp 185 ft/lbs) it's pretty good. I don't see how they couldn't get it up to 270 with a similar torque rating to at least keep up with everybody else. I wonder how the gas mileage will compare with the other manufacturers.

Toolman,

I hear you about the lack of torque that honda puts out in their 2.0L BUT their getting better and better with each new vehicle that comes out (like the new Civic)... and their acceleration numbers and vehicles with "very"similar GVW is anywhere from a second or more faster (0-60)... I know it sounds like I'm bashing our cars but I really not...

I also hear you about 91 octane BUT back to the original post, a hot set of cams for our cars is desperately needed...

Quote : I wonder how the gas mileage will compare with the other manufacturers.

It'll be hard to tell because Ford is "smart" enough to put 6-speed Automatics in their cars...

EVEN WITH THAT IN MIND (good example) is Toyota's Avalon (06) puts out:

3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve Dual VVT-i V6
268 hp @ 6200 rpm
248 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm AND GETS 22/CITY 31/HIGHWAY (5 SPEED AUTO)

KEEP kickin ass and taken no names Toolman!

Toolman00,

That Diablosport Predator Tune (Tom) you have, DO YOU RECOMMEND IT?

Hello, ever hear of torque? Honda and torque don't belong in the same sentence, unless you are talking about the lack of torque. While 145 ft/lbs isn't much to get your undies in a bundle, it's pretty decent for a little 2L 4-cylinder engine

30014 - K20A (RSX Type R) Motor, Tranny, ECU
220 Hp 158Trq 11.5 Compression
2.0 inline four Honda wins again.[:(]

Originally posted by myblacksvt
30014 - K20A (RSX Type R) Motor, Tranny, ECU
220 Hp 158Trq 11.5 Compression
2.0 inline four Honda wins again.[:(]

Thats Honda's best engine IMO...BUT, and I mean BUT...what good is that much torque when it peaks at like 7000 RPM?

Horsepower is a function of torque and RPM (Torque X RPM / 5250). Torque gets you there, horsepower keeps you there. I like motors with nears equals of both!

Goat Roper,

You are a gentleman and a scholar...I agree with your coments and thoughts. NOT only more torgue but gobs more HP and RPM's to spare (useful on track or just driving aggressively on the street pulling out of turns without shifting mid way)...

I love our low torque but is doesnt completely compensate for lack of ponies...