: Gauge swap claification?
01-19-2004, 03:43 AM
Ok...don't kill me here guys, but I have read at LEAST 8 or 9 threads on swapping a non-tach cluster to one with the tach, so I'm not beating a dead horse with this...there's stuff I just don't fully understand. Ok, so I know you can swap them, and it's basically plug and play, and that it will throw off the mileage. I have seen some posts stating you can download the information to the ECU and upload it after the install. How is this done? Yes I am fairly new to the computerized aspect of tuning cars. But I mean, is this something I can do on my own? And how if so? And does anything have to be done to the speedo? I have seen a post or two claiming you can't legally reprogram the cluster, but I don't see how setting them back to their original values can be illegal. I really want a tach in the dash, I know putting one on the A-frame would be easier and cheaper, but i think that is ugly as hell IMO. I was hoping for a cleaner, more built in look. Any help here would be fabulous and again, I'm sorry if this topic has been done to death. I read em all and still have ?'s...
Oh yeah, as an asside, I am almost sure of this, but am I correct in assuming going to a larger wheel size would mean recalibration of speedo and mileage to compensate for the change in size?
01-22-2004, 03:43 PM
yes, wheels make a difference, and the milage on the new cluster will be the new milage for the car. it is also stored in the ecu however, but the only way to read that milage is to hook it upo to fords computer. if i were you, i would put in the new cluster, and run the hell out of the miles, then sell it to a dealership and swap out the cluster bewfore i took it in tho them.
01-22-2004, 04:52 PM
Are you joking, it's not like that's illegal or anything...
01-22-2004, 08:07 PM
That's what I was thinking Lil PZEV...besides, I wouldn't sell my baby.
01-23-2004, 11:11 AM
me either, but have you ever rented a uhaul? you used to just be able to undo the odometer and drive for free. now it shuts the truck off and you have to call for help. and i know it is illegal, bu i have been in the car buisness for awhile, and that is nothing compared to some of the stuff i have seen........
01-27-2004, 03:15 PM
That still doesn't make it right, or legal, and I can't believe you'd suggest that to anyone on here. I thought MOST of us had more common sense than that. I want my car to stay legal at all times, as most of us here do.
Yes, I have said it before and I'll say it again: The two different clusters are plug and play. Take out the old one, plug in the new one, and the entire cluster will work correctly. The mileage WILL be off, because the new cluster will still have whatever mileage came from the car it used to be in. Take it to your dealer, and for a fee (I don't know how much), they will download the correct mileage, stored in your ECU, into the new cluster. Don't let anyone tell you this is illegal, or that it can't be done. If your dealer tells you it can't be done, they are idiots and you need to go find another dealer. You will eventually find one that will do it for you.
End of story.
01-28-2004, 12:54 AM
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01-28-2004, 01:08 AM
it will take the dealer about a week to get it done. they park your car, send out both clusters and whenever tehy come back recalibrated in about 8 to 10 days you can drive you car again. also, it is about 100 bux. hey sunshine, do you ever speed? what about park in the fire lane to run into blockbuster? that is illigal. and i said it was from the get go, i didn't lie.
02-05-2004, 10:59 PM
I was referring to illegal modifications to my car, and no, I have never parked in a fire lane to return movies to blockbuster. I speed on occasion, but never more than 5-7 over the limit, unless I am driving the ambulance.
02-06-2004, 11:37 AM
Actually the dealership doesn't have to send out the cluster... it can all be done in house with the WDS. If you read in the Focus service manual it states that you have to hook up the old cluster to the WDS and download all the applicable info to the WDS and then upload it to the new cluster. It only takes an hour or so to do not over a week.
02-06-2004, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by Hockeyman
Actually the dealership doesn't have to send out the cluster... it can all be done in house with the WDS. If you read in the Focus service manual it states that you have to hook up the old cluster to the WDS and download all the applicable info to the WDS and then upload it to the new cluster. It only takes an hour or so to do not over a week. ford , where i used to work and knew the service writes adn such knew that, but ford has to send it out so you don't just buy a cluster with 100 miles on it and have your old cluster adn many others reprogramed to that milage. it takes about a wekk or 2 for ford to do it as i said, hockey.
02-08-2004, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by llama_in_a_focus
ford , where i used to work and knew the service writes adn such knew that, but ford has to send it out so you don't just buy a cluster with 100 miles on it and have your old cluster adn many others reprogramed to that milage. it takes about a wekk or 2 for ford to do it as i said, hockey.
I too worked at a ford dealership and I was in the service dept and I have seen this done. If you purchase a new cluster directly from ford either for warranty or just over the counter they request the old one so you can't just say it has 5K miles on it and commit fraud. They pre-program in whatever milage is on the old cluster that you send them and inturn send you back a new cluster. But if you purchase a used cluster you can have it re-programmed at the dealership by one of the technicians.