: manual transmission operation?
09-12-2003, 10:11 AM
okay, this may sound entirely stupid but it's not something that i ever paid attention to...
i've got a manual transmission. when the car is off (no key in the ignition), not moving and on level ground, should i be able to freely shift between gears without depressing the clutch?
if i'm sitting in the car, not touching anything, should i be able to slide from first through fifth with no resistance?
i ask because i was recently in a crash and my insurance company says that's normal. it's not something that i've ever noticed, and it doesn't seem like it should happen.
I don't think so. Same with me, I never tried.
Actually, I think I did once, and had to push the clutch in. I see it as, if the gears aren't in sync, then it won't engage. I guess its possible that when all the gears stopped, they just happened to be aligned.
I'm just guessing.
09-12-2003, 10:59 AM
This actually can happen sometimes, but not always. If it happens all the time, then I don't know what's up with it, but occasionally is normal.
09-12-2003, 11:06 AM
I would go to another car shop and get it checked out with a second opinion, nothing wrong with extra opinions on your car to make sure it is working right, rather find out the for sure problem other than the half truth.
09-12-2003, 12:34 PM
like was said.. if every thing is lined up properly, it will shift like that... does it shift smooth, and every gear work when your driving? If so I wouldn't worry about it. If it was damaged in an accident, you would know. damage from an accident wouldn't make it shift smooth in neutral and engine stopped.
09-12-2003, 12:41 PM
It is COMPLETELY normal. I've owned 2 manual cars and both have done it freely when stopped. My current 2002 Focus Zetec (Zx3) does it, I was actually playing with it tonight doing EXACTLY this and there's 100% proof for ya that it's normal!! Your insurance company was right, no need to get it checked out and certainly no need to worry.
It's not recommended that you do it all the time naturally as your synchros aren't workin and you can wear out the gears a little playing around heaps but most certainly you can do it. occasioanlly it will be a little stiff because gears aren't lined up properly when you do it but I assure you, don't worry!!!!
Don't waste the time and money, especially if it drives normal too. there's nothing wrong.
09-12-2003, 12:45 PM
and in case you're wondering why the hell i was playing with it!! I was helping some mates move house and i sat in the passenger seat and started changing gears like a European/US left hand drive car. We have RHD here in Australia and as I learnt on a LHD manual in Belgium, I wanted to see how it felt from the proper side!! Must say I prefer LHD to RHD, but not much I can do about it!!! So much more sense to have 1st, 2nd and all the most used gears closest to you when you sit on the left rather then furthest away when you're at RHD. Not that it changes much and it isn't any worse to drive, just not as "convenient" for want of a better word, it just makes more sense to push gears away when accelerating than pulling them towards you!!! Who cares, I can do both!!!
09-12-2003, 07:42 PM
Being able to put the car in gear when it is not running is normal. It's the last thing I do before I get out every time.
clutch & brake in, shift to neutral, clutch out, pull parking brake, turn off the car, release foot off brake, put the car in first without depressing clutch
This keeps the car from rolling should the parking brake fail for some reason.
09-12-2003, 10:03 PM
But yeah. you can move it in and out of gear when engine is off without the clutch.
09-13-2003, 10:53 AM
just a little curious, any of you fellas ever tried shiftn with no clutch at all!
09-13-2003, 01:10 PM
If you match the RPMs you should have no problem shifting without the clutch. This is how manual trasmissions worked when they were first invented. Now we have sychro mesh and advanced technology. You can do it, but why ?