01-05-2004, 02:36 PM
Ok, you have seen those NASCAR fans sport their Jeff Gordon racing jackets....does anyone know if they make rally-oriented jackets? preferably for a focus team [:D]
Also, what would it take to bring a 01 stock ATX focus to SCCA club rally level? And actually be competetive?
01-06-2004, 03:37 PM
A stock focus would run in the Production class. In this class you can do no engine work . You can however stiffen the chasis with seam welding. Cage design is critical. The more places you can tie the cage to the body of the car the stiffer you will make it. You can replace the shocks and springs with aftermarket ones which is absolutely necessary. A shock specifically designed for rally applications is needed. DMS, Morriss, Ohlin, Pro-flex, and Bilstein manufacture shocks specifically for rally. Expect to pay 500.00 to 1000.00 per shock. A starting point for spring rates is double the stock rate at all corners. You can add performance brake pads and aftermarket rotors of the same design and size of the stock system. Club rally is the entry level. But there's a lot of ringers who lurk in this class.
Newbies should never expect to be competetive. You need a good year of two (six to eight) coefficent 3 rallies to get the hang of the sport. Its always cheaper to buy a used rally car then trying to build one. Example you can buy a good used G@ car for as little as 2500.00 to 3500.00 dollars. Tou can easily exceed this cost with the cage and shocks alone and you haven't included the cost of the base car. A used one will be sorted out. It takes a long time to sort out a new car. Time is better spent on perfecting driving skills rather than constant repair and adjustment.
A properly prepared focus would do OK in production. However the car of choice would be an SVT. When you've developed the skills you could do engine and other performance upgrades to the production car and more up to the group 2 class. Things start getting wild here. You can then add a super charger or turbo which will bump you to group 5. All these classes are for two wheel drive cars so you'll be competeing against similarily prepared cars. Production and G2 classes are currently dominated by VW Golfs (primarily because there are lots of performance parts developed in europe available for these cars. Group five is dominated by a few mustangs, toyota supras, and eclipse gt's (front wheel drive turbo model) and some new built up 1.8 liter golf turbos are beginning to appear. The rules are online at the SCCA web site. When building a production car it critical to know these inside and out.
01-06-2004, 04:21 PM
awesome..thanks for the help/advice [thumb]
I plan to just work on my focus..doing what I can..and I do like the idea of purchasing a used rally car, and just focusing on driving. Thanks.
Quick question tho...are most rally cars sequential shifting? If so..would it be just as good to run an automatic w/ a chip (changed shift points)?
01-06-2004, 08:07 PM
Thanks Geezer this answered some of my questions also.[thumb]
01-07-2004, 03:27 PM
In the US sequential transmissions are not allowed (trying to keep cost down). The big boys will use a manual dog box with straight cut gears. This allows clutchless shifts after you get it rolling. They aren't cheap but a heck of a lot less than are full sequential box ($3,000.00 vs 20K plus). To be honest I haven't seen a lot of slush boxes (automatics) used in rallying. I have seen them in a few rally trucks and in one mustang but they were the ones found in SCORE off road (Baja) trucks. The valving in these is changed so they will not shift automatically and must be shifted manually into each gear. They're also very expensive and generally built for big V6's and V8's. To find listings for used rally cars check "Ben's rally page" and www.specialstage.com are good sources.