ok i have a 2001 ford focus zx3 i was looking at eather a supercharger or a turbo...my friends think that a turbo would add more horse's but ive come to belive that a supercharger adds more.... which one will get me more Hp? and what kind should i get if a super/turbo????

there has been a lot of threads on this already i would suggest you do a search. All in all it depends on how much money you want to spend, and which kits you are looking at.

any amount of money

If it was me, I would get a super charger. They are allot easier to install and you dont have wait for the turbo to wind up in order to get power. However, turbos are more effecient, because they dont run off the engine like a super charger and probably have a little more hp. But there a bitch to install.

adding horsepower costs money. ask anyone. how much do you want to spend TOTAL, and we can help you decide.

about 4 grand and here very soon im getting rid of air bags in my car and switching it to a roush.then i should get at least 2 grand out of the air bag system so probly about 5 grand in a month or 2

Get in on the group buy in the focus-power section

Tom

not only is taking out your airbag system a ridiculous thing to do, but it's also illegal and isn't going to net you $2K.

Forced induction will be useless when you smack your face right into the steering wheel bro. Go for the Roush!

i think he was refering to his airbag suspension.

He was actually - check out his gallery

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
Get in on the group buy in the focus-power section

Tom

i second that.

Originally posted by revamp
not only is taking out your airbag system a ridiculous thing to do, but it's also illegal and isn't going to net you $2K.

yea its the suspension, and i dont have any airbags in my car there gone and its not illegal......[rolleyes]

Vortech w/ aftercooler

turbos are free power you can always ge a bigger turbo and better tuning.

s/c are for simple people pretty much bolt on chip and wow 4 grand for very lil power.
i would get a s/c because im poor.

think of it this way have you ever seen a 11 second honda s/ced NO turboed.

and toms focus isnt s/ced its turboed
s/c are safe reliable and easy to install turbos are better for more HP

Originally posted by steedazx5
turbos are free power you can always ge a bigger turbo and better tuning.


I've seen this comment several times now, and it is NOT TRUE. Simple laws of physics, you can't get something for nothing!

Turbos dow create increased back pressure, which is resistance against the piston to expel gasses. The hp drop isn't as great as with a supercharger, but it is there. And one of the reasons it isn't as great is because a turbo takes a longer time to spool up.

IMO, it really depends on what you want. If you are continue using this vehicle as a daily driver, get the supercharger. It will be far more responsive in the 1500-3000 rpm range than a turbo. If you plan on actually racing the vehicle, than get a turbo as it will deliver the most hp but it will be at the higher end of engine speed.

now that helped alot thanx zslaton thats wut i wanted 2 k ty :)

ok ok ok its like this....get a supercharger....if you want base with out spending lots of money go for the jackson racing....it will bring a stock zx3 up to about 190whp and 170htq.......but if you want to spend more money(porbably about the same you would spend if your getting a small turbo) go for the vortech......it actually uses a turbo to give it the boost but insted of the turbo running off the exhaust it runs off a belt like all the other superchargers.......for the price the vortech is the best you can buy....because it gives about 100 extra whp and around the smae with torque.....and did i mention its bolt on so you dont have to do shit to your trans....or get new cylindar heads like you would with a turbo......most people think turbos are like 3 grand thats it but thats not true you have to do alot of other work to your engine if you expect to be keeping it for more than like two months.....ohh right i forgot......the vortech in the package comes with the new fuel injectors....all the piping...and some of them come with intercoolers......and did i mentoin you get teh turbo sound and if you really want to i believe you can put a blow off on the vortech..............so go for it and get the vortech supercharger................because too many [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]g people have damn turbos......dont fal into the crowd....be original ge tthe supercharger

Originally posted by Jroc
ok ok ok its like this....get a supercharger....if you want base with out spending lots of money go for the jackson racing....it will bring a stock zx3 up to about 190whp and 170htq.......but if you want to spend more money(porbably about the same you would spend if your getting a small turbo) go for the vortech......it actually uses a turbo to give it the boost but insted of the turbo running off the exhaust it runs off a belt like all the other superchargers.......for the price the vortech is the best you can buy....because it gives about 100 extra whp and around the smae with torque.....and did i mention its bolt on so you dont have to do shit to your trans....or get new cylindar heads like you would with a turbo......most people think turbos are like 3 grand thats it but thats not true you have to do alot of other work to your engine if you expect to be keeping it for more than like two months.....ohh right i forgot......the vortech in the package comes with the new fuel injectors....all the piping...and some of them come with intercoolers......and did i mentoin you get teh turbo sound and if you really want to i believe you can put a blow off on the vortech..............so go for it and get the vortech supercharger................because too many [:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]g people have damn turbos......dont fal into the crowd....be original ge tthe supercharger


hate to say but a stock JRSC on a stock ZX3 will NOT make 190/170.

the technology is with the turbos at the moment. I am insulted by the hp it takes to drive a supercharger. It is also hard on the front main bearing because the belt has to be so tight to keep from slipping. Sure the turbo creates back pressure.. but that isn't nearly the hp loss that the supercharger creates. And as far as turbo lag, blow off valves just about totally elimenate that! That is what the blow off valve is for.. dumping excess air so the turbine dosn't slow down from the drag of to much air. Turbo any day!!

Originally posted by vanace
That is what the blow off valve is for.. dumping excess air so the turbine dosn't slow down from the drag of to much air. Turbo any day!!

In some ways you are right... the wastegate does allow for the downsizing of the turbo and quicker response. But it also limits the amount of power you can get at higher engine speeds, thus substantially clipping the peak power of the engine. Like I said, it's all a game of tradeoffs. Even with the wastegate and smaller turbo, I would go with a supercharger.

What you really need is a variable geometry turbo that can "tighten" or "loosen" the turbo veins based upon the engine speed at which you are runing. An example of such a system is the turbo charger on the 6.0L Powerstroke Diesel in Ford trucks. The complication of this system is that it requires a good amount of calibration for the specific vehicle it is attached to. The cool thing is that this design eliminates the waste gate, as the veins can loosen up enough that they act as an internal waste gate.

Finally, the decision to go S/C or T/C (and which configuration to use of the two) will depend heavily on how much "other" work you want to do. The stock non-SVT MTX75 transmission is rated to about 165 ft-lbs of torque input according to Ford. There is a safety factor there, but I have no idea what it is. But if you go with something much more than a JRSC and plan on using your Focus as a daily driver that you will occasionally beat on, I would say you need to upgrade you clutch and repack your gears. Otherwise, your tranny will get fried pretty easily.

Personally, if I had to go one route or the other, I would probably look at getting the Powerworks configuration listed here (http://www.focussport.com/supercharger.htm). Seems pretty reasonable, and some small modifications to the drive line would help. Then again, I won't use my Focus project car as a daily driver and I am still debating on whether to go FI or VERY aggressive NA.

how do you all feel about the Roush turbo?

The MTX Trans will take what ever you put to it , I have hit it with 500HP and close to that on TQ with nothing more than a Quaife installed in it and no other work at all

SC dont have it and never will , Turbos out do them on HP , TQ , Cost , install , driveability of fun factor , upgradeability

By cost i mean it will cost what a turbo kit cost to try to make the same HP as a turbo does but you will never get there

Turbos are no harder to install than any SC (or my kit isnt anyway) they take no more maintance or upkeep and are no harder on the engine

There just is NO SC out there that will out do my focus-power turbo kit , i will put it up against any one of them

Look at what it takes to updrade a SC for more boost (pain in the butt) with my turbo kit you can go from 10 psi to 18 psi just by turning the boost button 2sec work and you on your way



Turbo is the way to go , many say "I dont want 300HP" Every one wants 300HP , If you one that thinks he doesent than turn the boost to 9PSI kick the crap out of most any SC and the 300HP is there at the turn of the knob when you are ready for it

What more can i say? TURBO

Tom

Originally posted by LosThopeX23
ok i have a 2001 ford focus zx3 i was looking at eather a supercharger or a turbo...my friends think that a turbo would add more horse's but ive come to belive that a supercharger adds more.... which one will get me more Hp? and what kind should i get if a super/turbo????

I had the JRSC on an 02ZX5. IT was a learning experience. What a waste of time and money...I guess it was better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick....

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
The MTX Trans will take what ever you put to it , I have hit it with 500HP and close to that on TQ with nothing more than a Quaife installed in it and no other work at all


Tom is right on everything he says about turbos. But it comes down to a question of daily driver versus show/go vehicle that isn't used very frequently. The MTX transmission will NOT stand up to 200+ ft-lbs on a daily basis. If you end up pushing it to 300 ft-lbs, you will push over the 165 ft-lbs on a daily basis. Bottomline: don't get much more than a JRSC if you want to keep the vehicle a daily driver. I work right next the MTX 75 team at Ford... I'll take their word as fact on this one.

But Tom is right on for an all performance vehicle. Nothing different than what I have been saying all along. But if you are going to go that far with the engine, you probably want to modify the transmission anyways to make the total vehicle as good as possible.

ok ok what about a vortech?
ok and its all about you....it depends on what you want...total power...or off the line power? a car that will be a daily driver or something that will die in a couple of years...maybe months depending on how hard you drive it......dont get me wrong i would love to have a turbo in my car......but with a new intake, throttle body, intake manifold, the supercharger JRSC or anything else, plus headers, downpipe, new cat and a catback exhaust system.....you would be able to freaking kill anyone out there....add in a new ecu chip say from focus sport and you will be unstop-able.....maybe not to this supposed 500HP focus as 1turbofocus said.....i will believe it when i see it....sorry im nto talking crap about you....i juts dont think a focus can hit the 500 mark with out like 20 grand worth of work....... as zsalton said it depends on the driveability of the car.......its all about you the car driver.........

Originally posted by Jroc
ok ok what about a vortech?
ok and its all about you....it depends on what you want...total power...or off the line power? a car that will be a daily driver or something that will die in a couple of years...maybe months depending on how hard you drive it......dont get me wrong i would love to have a turbo in my car......but with a new intake, throttle body, intake manifold, the supercharger JRSC or anything else, plus headers, downpipe, new cat and a catback exhaust system.....you would be able to freaking kill anyone out there....add in a new ecu chip say from focus sport and you will be unstop-able.....maybe not to this supposed 500HP focus as 1turbofocus said.....i will believe it when i see it....sorry im nto talking crap about you....i juts dont think a focus can hit the 500 mark with out like 20 grand worth of work....... as zsalton said it depends on the driveability of the car.......its all about you the car driver.........

So what are you saying?? Cause it IS all about the money, and the driver... and choices...and tradeoffs...
But just because you don't believe, doesn't mean it isn't so.

zslaton, I dont mean to come across like a smart a$$ but you havent a clue what your talking about , i daily drive my 500+HP ZX3 and my 320HP SVT

Turbos dont have a clue as to if there going after ice cream or racing down the track at 120+ MPH , if it is tuned properly than it will live , I now have a(customers) 300+HP at the wheels turbo ZX3 on 93 octane running around daily , I have a 250HP turbo daily driver work car running around 93 octane and many many many many more doing WELL OVER 200TQ and have been for YEARS with the MTX-75

I have logged over 450 launches with my MTX-75 with over 470TQ at the wheels , over 2000 miles on a road course at over 470TQ at the wheels

Turbos done properly will be as reliable as any SC as a daily driver

Jroc, Beleive what you will i have been doing the Focus sence 2000 and there are many dynos floating around where i did OVER 500HP and some were at my dyno when i did it and it runs 11.88 @ 123 on DOT tires and 3020Lb

You can take a jrsc add all the pulleys and after market boltone you can find to bolt on and still not make out of it what my full kit will make out of the box

I have been making power with turbos sence 1979 and have never looked back , I have a SVO with 218,000 miles on it with the origional engine and it makes 100HP more at the wheels than the engine was rated at new , she smokes a little now but can climb in it and go to Ca. if need be , Turbos dont kill engines lack of proper tuning does

Tom

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
zslaton, I dont mean to come across like a smart a$$ but you havent a clue what your talking about , i daily drive my 500+HP ZX3 and my 320HP SVT


Tom, you are the exception. I am going to take ZF's and Ford's data verified limits over anectdotal evidence any day. They have done way more design verification testing than any aftermarket supplier will every do, and that is what leads them to limiting the MTX75 to 165 foot pounds.

Does that mean you can't have some contradictory evidence? No. Does it mean people shouldn't look at going above the rated torque for the transmission? No. Does it mean I will stay below 165 ft-lbs? No. But it does mean that I am not going to give anyone the impression that if they look at the statistical averages and data gathered by those who DESIGNED the transmission that they are going to be A-OK pushing the numbers you are talking about.

Look, you have a business to run that depends on people buying high performance turbo systems. Hell, I might buy one from you in a couple of years depending on what direction I want to take my project Focus. But I won't go into it believing the the stock tranny is going to grossly exceed the performance limitations specified by the companies that designed it.

1turbofocus....i was nto trying to be an ass im sorry if ti came off that way........what exactly do you have in your focus? im honestly curious.

Z You MUST be an engineer...what turbo does your imperical engineering resource handbook #987234 say is supposed to be in the focus..?

You don't mind if a few of us think outside the box??

Finalley- yes I am an engineer. But I am not trying to tell people to stay inside the box. What was asked was whether a turbo or a super charger would be a better FI addition. Most of the answer depends upon what you plan on using the vehicle for - a daily driver or a show/go car that is used far less frequently. If the car is going to be a daily driver, I am just trying to point out what the maker of the transmission - the only disinterested third party in this discussion - says the tranny can handle if it is to be used as a daily driver. This is based upon extensive design verification testing both before and after the transmission goes into production, and it simulates the 95% customer so that it captures far worse operating conditions than most of us will ever put our vehicles through in the stock form. The bottom line is, if you want a reliable daily driver that won't destroy the transmission, the manufacturer of the tranny says stay at or below 165 ft-lbs input to the tranny.

Now, Tom and you have obviously been able to push your engine far above that and the transmission is still living. How much longer will it live? I have no idea. But there is a good chance you are doing damage to it as we speak. I am not the one setting the rules - talk to the big man upstairs who determines material properties and the engineers and Ford/ZF that designed the specific gear set in the MTX75. I just know that from the published reports the MTX75 gearset has the limits listed above.

Now, as I said in my previous email, I am going to probably join the FI crowd and go above the tranny limits when my Focus becomes a show/go project car. But I won't be under any delusions, and I won't give anyone else any bad information, to make them feel comfrotable about going well beyond the published limits of the tranny.

I am just an automotive engineer that uses statistical tools to analyze analytical and physical data to make an informed engineering judgement about the parts that I design and release...

Let the readers make their own decision - anectdotal testimonials vs. volumes of DV test results?

Z- not to demean your intellect in any way my arguement is that the Focus and its various subsystems was DESIGNED as a daily driver. But this forum {as well as others} shows that people are heavily modding there autos and/or racing them on the track.
It seemly obvious to me that when exceeding design paramaters generally something breaks and most of us realistically expect that.

See Tom's previous posts, and I think he is trying to argue the transmission will have no trouble handling the torque and hp numbers you guys are quoting. He argues there is no trouble making it a daily driver. I happen to disagree...

There is no point to debating this any longer... it has turned into a pissing match between two camps that know an awful lot about powertrain systems. There is enough information for everyone to make an informed decision either way.

BTW, I am in no way offended by what you or Tom have said so there is no reason to qualify your statements. Message boards are for debating, and I love it especially when someone comes in with a different point of view.

ok so back to supercharger or turbo? juts kidding guys didnt mean to be an ass

Tom I thought you swapped out your MTX for the Lentech Auto long ago when you were at lower numbers..... you went back to a MTX in your white car? How much power was the Lentech setup good for?

BTW with a clutch and Quaife I have run at about 180 torque at the wheels for about 1 year, about 210 for the year after that, and now for the last year at about 230+. Hoping to make that closer to 240-250 soon when I put on a 3" turbo back exhaust.

I am sure that will dramatically shorten the service life of the MTX, among other things, but it sure is fun.

Originally posted by zslaton
See Tom's previous posts, and I think he is trying to argue the transmission will have no trouble handling the torque and hp numbers you guys are quoting. He argues there is no trouble making it a daily driver. I happen to disagree...



You can disagree...but but don't deny the facts that multiple cars, for multiple seasons ,have in practice exceeded your reference numbers and still continue to perform well.[thumb]
the proof is in the pudding..
And the POINT is you say your numbers say it ain't so, but the field mechanics are making it happen!!

Im sorry i dont hold much faith in a some on that comes up with a part and sais ok this is the limit of what it can do and never one time pushed to see where it would break at

I would bet the main guy that came up with the MTX-75 has never even drove a car with it in there let alone put it behind an engine that even has the ability to break it

Why do i say IT WILL take far more than the factory TQ rating , because i have about 150 customers doing it daily at 200+TQ at the wheels , so take that to the Fly and it would be about 220TQ

Tom

...are you sure Tom... the BOOK says you can't do it...[idea]

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
Im sorry i dont hold much faith in a some on that comes up with a part and sais ok this is the limit of what it can do and never one time pushed to see where it would break at

I would bet the main guy that came up with the MTX-75 has never even drove a car with it in there let alone put it behind an engine that even has the ability to break it

Originally posted by finalley
...are you sure Tom... the BOOK says you can't do it...[idea]

I swore I was going to move on, but this response and finalley's deserve a "smart ass" remark just because of the assumptions. Contrary to your opinions, these transmissions are design and verified by people who use them every day of their lives. They know far more about the inner workings of transmission design and operation than an aftermarket supplier does. I didn't want to get into a knowledge pissing match, but your assumption that some geek in a cubicle took out his slide rule and freshman mechanics of materials text to design the tranny is as stupid as it is wrong. Ford and ZF have taken hundreds of these transmissions and put them through bench tests, vehicle tests, fleet tests, analytical analyses, and field warranty analyses to determine what their operating paramaters should be set to so that they deliver reliable 150k mile/ 10 year useable life. They beat the CRAP out of the transmissions, often exceeding the 165 ft-lbs and witnessing the failures that were predicted by the analytical tools. Their design verification methods ensure a far more reliable estimate of the realistic input torque that the MTX 75 can handle on a daily basis than your anecdotal evidence suggests.

I have much respect for aftermarket suppliers and mechanics because they know a side of the business that design engineers wished they knew. But mechanics and aftermarket suppliers have their limitations too, and you two have just stepped into that region and have been very rude about it.

I don't know why you can't admit the reality that the MANUFACTURER of the transmission is trying to tell you, but Welding Rod's post is a nice breath of fresh air in this debate. Yeah, we all know we are making our cars faster with the modding we are doing, but some of the mods put our cars at greater risk for damage than others.

Originally posted by finalley
You can disagree...but but don't deny the facts that multiple cars, for multiple seasons ,have in practice exceeded your reference numbers and still continue to perform well.[thumb]
the proof is in the pudding..
And the POINT is you say your numbers say it ain't so, but the field mechanics are making it happen!!

You should come back to me when you have a statistically large sample size of vehicles, in a controlled operating environment that eliminates any non-regular maintenance or upgrades to the stock transmission, that all have at least 150,000 miles on a stock drivetrain save for an FI hardware and software upgrade. Then you can compare that to the thousands of data points that Ford and ZF have that puts the aforementioned limits on the tranny. Until then, your anectdotal evidence can be chalked up to statistical noise.

Hey Tom, so how much more am I going to have to pay for that turbo kit in a couple of years with all of my sniping? [:D] (it's always fun debating technical topics)

So what you are trying to get me to beleive is the geek with the slide rule highly modded an engine that bolts up to a MTX-75 and pushed it to its limit , How else would he know what the part would take or what the limit would be

Now what i read from what you are saying is my Grandmother will be able to drive this MTX-75 150,000 miles problem free and the geek with the slide rule sais that if the 165 limit isnt exceeded she shouldnt have to wait on a wrecker to repair her MTX-75 till 150,001 miles

150+ Foci exceeding the geets slide rule equasion has to mean he has made an error some where , I would think that if the limit was 165TQ that me doing 500TQ would rip the guts out of her launching it with a 25 shot of nitrous and 28Psi of boost at 4000 RPM and going to over 500TQ at the Fly for well over 200 launches

The only weak point in the MTX-75 is the Diff, change this and she will hold 300+TQ for a life time

The geek with the slide rule could care less if the MTX-75 will hold 300TQ he wants to know how long problem free it will last under normal conditions of what the engine is going to be giving it , Im sure Ford never tested the Zetec MTX-75 much over 200TQ for the Focus before it went into the Focus or the Contour

Tom

Tom... so what ever happened with the Lentech Auto you had swapped to?

BTW - Just because someone is intelligent and educated there is no reason to assume they are a "geek".

Tom and finalley, all I am trying to say is that there is a gap in the available data. I doubt your data set for the Foci that have been turboed contains a tightly controlled statistically significant batch that have 150,000 miles on them which would be comparable to Ford's. Ford and ZF don't know EXACTLY when your tranny is going to crap out if you go over 165 ft-lbs. They just know that of all of the configurations they have simulated and actually run, a 165 ft-lb input is what produced a statistically significant data set that allowed the 95th percentile customer to run the vehicle 150,000 miles.

That also means that there are statistical outliers that will be able to handle more torque and horsepower, and who knows for how long. Maybe they last to 120,000 miles and then hit their fatigue limit. Maybe someone gets a bad batch of gears and they shred them the first time down the strip. Who knows?

Anyway, this is pointless. We've all made our points...

Tom, a question for you. I like your setup and the numbers you are getting, but with any turbo kit I am concerned with the lag and lack of low-end punch. I saw the dyno charts on your website, but I didn't see any overlays with a stock torque/hp curve. What is the typical tq/hp gain in the 2k to 4k rpm range with your kits, acknowledging that it is highly dependent upon boost psi that is run. Also, what kind of internals are you running on your Zetec engine? Is it all stock, or have you swapped out some stuff? Thanks!

Hey Tom, so how much more am I going to have to pay for that turbo kit in a couple of years with all of my sniping? (it's always fun debating technical topics)

[:)][:)][:)][:)][:)][:)]* .01 more LOL

Are you asking to see a all stock ZX3 dyno with a turbo dyno on the same dyno? If so that isnt a problem , with how much boost would you like to see the turbo have

Tom

Originally posted by zslaton
You should come back to me when you have a statistically large sample size of vehicles, in a controlled operating environment that eliminates any non-regular maintenance or upgrades to the stock transmission, that all have at least 150,000 miles on a stock drivetrain save for an FI hardware and software upgrade. Then you can compare that to the thousands of data points that Ford and ZF have that puts the aforementioned limits on the tranny. Until then, your anectdotal evidence can be chalked up to statistical noise.

Hey Tom, so how much more am I going to have to pay for that turbo kit in a couple of years with all of my sniping? [:D] (it's always fun debating technical topics)

Well Z, my question to you is ...In spite of your statistical references, , WHY wouldYOU even consider putting a turbo on the car??
And MY response to your above comment isWE don't need large samples of vehicle performance in a controlled environment, It either works or it doesn't. And the only noise here is theoveruse of 25cent words giving the appearance of vast amounts of knowledge.
This isn't the pissing contest, that won't begin untill my car is next to yours...
[spank] [clap]

Originally posted by 1turbofocus

Are you asking to see a all stock ZX3 dyno with a turbo dyno on the same dyno? If so that isnt a problem , with how much boost would you like to see the turbo have


Actually, if you have multiple runs of stock vs. two or three different psi ratings that would be great. Maybe your low-end, medium, and high end boost vs. stock. I don't want to create extra work for you, but a good idea of the choices available would be nice.

Originally posted by finalley
Well Z, my question to you is ...In spite of your statistical references, , WHY wouldYOU even consider putting a turbo on the car??

Because I plan on turning my Focus into a project car in about a year and a half. At that point I would be following my own logic of not expecting it to be a daily driver... [:D]

allrighty i read this whole thing and here is what my situation is. Im 16 so money is limited (i will have about 5k saved up soon) not using it all up is preferable lol. im in so cal. ummm i have a stock SVT focus and i want to either super or turbo it. it is going to be a daily driver but i prob wont get that many miles on it yearly. i want the car to last for a really long time. im not a street racer or anything, i just like to get off the line fast and having fun. this will be something for my dad and i to go on the weekends and go have fun. but it will also be used to go to the store, school and work. right now im looking at s/c but i really like the sound of a turbo with blow off valves (yes sound is big on me) i dont want to really make any other changes other then s/c or turbo. please help me decide

if money is a problem i would suggest a SC they are direct bolt ons and require less parts to be bought when installing i know what you mean about sound. That is big on me too, but for price and daily driver and the fact that you want to get off the line faster go for the supercharger because you dont have the turbo lag

I just pulled in a Jackson Super charger for my SVT. I love the instant power, but think that a turbo will ultimitaly be the way to go if you want the most horses to the wheels. Dont be afraid to spend that money. Get the best and you will always be happy with your desicion.

Originally posted by Jroc
if money is a problem i would suggest a SC they are direct bolt ons and require less parts to be bought when installing i know what you mean about sound. That is big on me too, but for price and daily driver and the fact that you want to get off the line faster go for the supercharger because you dont have the turbo lag

If your satisfied "simply" then I can't argue with jroc...BUT I don't have a clue as to the turbo lag He's talking about.

Originally posted by Jroc
if money is a problem i would suggest a SC they are direct bolt ons and require less parts to be bought when installing i know what you mean about sound. That is big on me too, but for price and daily driver and the fact that you want to get off the line faster go for the supercharger because you dont have the turbo lag

Turbo is a direct bolt on !

A good SC will need about the same parts bolted on and with some SC you have to relocate the PS hose , Batt , remote oil filter , and on and on

The only way to have turbo lag any more it to do a junkyard crappy turbo or one that is oversized , I have 180 - 300HP Foci that if you hit the gas you better be holding on and ready to go , no lag here

Now you talked about the SC great off the line jump what are you going to do after that when the SC failes to give any more , where is the TQ the SC never has

Got Turbo![:D]

Tom

thanks so much for all that info. i know it sounds stupid that the sound is big on me but i dont know i love it. so yeah thanks again