ok, got my update yesterday and installed it at work. On my way home I noticed my car running smoother, pulling very well and no surging. This morning, still running smooth, pulling from a dead stop better than it ever has, pulling hard throughout the RPM range (even with light throttle) and still no surging between 2K and 3K RPM! Albeit this is preliminary, however, I am very impressed!! I found myself grinning and actually laughing out loud while driving to work this morning! Wayne, again, YOU DA MAN!! I LOVE my new tune!! If any of you have doubt's, rest assured, I believe he will get your problems taken care of like he did mine. I am very pleased with the update he sent me yesterday so far ...... I am eagerly awaiting lunch time so I can go drive my car some more! LOL Again, for those of you still having issues, give this busy man a little time, I am sure he will get your problems solved (not trying to light a fire under your butt Wayne LOL). OK, I'm done, but I still can't hardly wait to drive my car again! LOL

sweet I ordered mine a couple days ago, I'm dying to get it, maybe I should request the tune you got, we have almost the same mods minus the UDP, for the engine.

I must admit, I noticed a difference when I installed my UDP. That was done before the tune, however, I believe it helps even more now, especially when I am running the A/C. Also I have noticed that my A/C still blows pretty cold at idle even with the UDP. A good mod IMO.

Careful, your gonna piss revamp off with another tune thread.

^^ LOL yeah you are. Umm I know this is off-topic but I dunno if I can justify putting on a UDP because there may be risks in the future of engine failure (and yes I know the arguments) let me know when you hit 85,000 and if its still holding strong.

Anyway OT: How many times have you recieved updates before he got you this one, and also do you have traction control?

OK, when I hit 85K miles, I'll let you know how my engine is doing. LOL So far, this is the second update I have recieved. The last update I got didn't seem any different to the original tune as far as I could tell but this one seems to have hit the nail on the head .... and no, I do not have traction control,,, thank god!! LOL

BTW, I created this thread so that myself and others have this type of thread to voice their opinion of their updated tunes as it seems Wayne is getting those updates out recently to try and take care of everyones issues. So far, mine seems perfect :-)

Ya, Wayne finally got mine nailed down. It takes some time because you need to run your car for a bit after each try to see if any bugs work themselves out in the ECU learning process. Mine runs great now though [:)]

ha ha

very funny.

I'm glad to hear the updates on the tunes. I have always stated that. My sole complaint was the 2 dozen threads ALL titled "which should I get" or "which is best".

I recently moved, but if I find a dyno around here that has decent prices, I'll probably get a tune from Wayne and run his and Tom's on the dyno for comparisons. I've just been so busy.

I'm surprised no one else has done it yet, though.

Originally posted by revamp
I've just been so busy.


Yeah tell me about it.....movin out of state and no bye bye cruise or g2g....geez thanks[rolleyes]


lol...j/k I've got love for ya gurl[:D] [thumb]

Revamp, maybe cuz we're not all sitting on piles of cash?? Between Tom's package and Wayne's package and a trip to the dyno, you're looking at a thousand dollars to determine whose tune performs better on the dyno. [;)]

Unless I'm misunderstanding how this whole thing works, and a tune that Wayne has created can be downloaded onto Tom's hardware... is that how it works? I thought the tunes were hardware-dependant and you had to create a tune for a specific flasher, like how a file created for Mac won't work on PC, and vice versa.

Yeah, you have to buy the separate units, but I've always been good with my money....

so, when there's something I want to buy I'm able to buy it.

7 yrs in the military, when everyone else is buying new cars and getting their own apartments, I always had roommates and drove something at least 5yrs old. So, I'll be 27 this year, own my own house, have a new car (my SVT), a nice savings and a few good investments that are growing, and am finishing up my Master's.

All it takes is a little self-restraint in the present to set yourself up a whole lot better in the future.

This is all sooo completely off topic, but this SVT of mine has been the biggest challenge to my budget so far in my life. Damn this forum! Without it, I would have been content just filling the gas tank.....lol

Originally posted by revamp
but this SVT of mine has been the biggest challenge to my budget so far in my life. Damn this forum! Without it, I would have been content just filling the gas tank.....lol

LMAO I know EXACTLY what you mean!!!!!! I am the same way, I have modded my focus more than I have modded ANY vehicle I have ever owned and spent more money on it!! I feel your pain hun :-)

Originally posted by SVT4ME
Revamp, maybe cuz we're not all sitting on piles of cash?? Between Tom's package and Wayne's package and a trip to the dyno, you're looking at a thousand dollars to determine whose tune performs better on the dyno. [;)]

Unless I'm misunderstanding how this whole thing works, and a tune that Wayne has created can be downloaded onto Tom's hardware... is that how it works? I thought the tunes were hardware-dependant and you had to create a tune for a specific flasher, like how a file created for Mac won't work on PC, and vice versa.

Well, if one wanted to, I guess the deal would be to:

1) decide on the solution you DON'T want to go with (e.g., order the Predator if you have already decided on the SCT), load it, spend a couple of days getting the car "used" to it, and take it to the dyno. Then, reflash back to stock, and return the unit for refund.

2) buy the one you wanted all along, load it, let the car learn it, and back to the dyno.

Call it a hundred and a quarter for dyno time, over and above the cost of the unit and flash you decide to keep. A small price to pay in the interests of science. [^]

Well, here's my update from the latest "test" tune last night.
I still have Traction Control. [:(]
Just got off the phone with Wayne, and fortunately, there's still a few options to try.

Now, on a positive note regarding the "lopey cold idle".
FIXED.
The latest test I tried idled great this morning at 30.4° outside temp.
I didn't know that little tidbit was in the new tune, till I asked him about it today.
Cool deal!
One down, one to go. [;)]

Originally posted by WD40
Well, here's my update from the latest "test" tune last night.
I still have Traction Control. [:(]
Just got off the phone with Wayne, and fortunately, there's still a few options to try.

Now, on a positive note regarding the "lopey cold idle".
FIXED.
The latest test I tried idled great this morning at 30.4° outside temp.
I didn't know that little tidbit was in the new tune, till I asked him about it today.
Cool deal!
One down, one to go. [;)]

30.4 F! Ah, yes - late spring comes to the high desert...[:o)]

30.4 F! Ah, yes - late spring comes to the high desert...
Yeah, I was a little shocked.
It hasn't dropped below freezing for at least a week now. [clap]

Originally posted by WD40
Well, here's my update from the latest "test" tune last night.
I still have Traction Control. [:(]
Just got off the phone with Wayne, and fortunately, there's still a few options to try.

Now, on a positive note regarding the "lopey cold idle".
FIXED.
The latest test I tried idled great this morning at 30.4° outside temp.
I didn't know that little tidbit was in the new tune, till I asked him about it today.
Cool deal!
One down, one to go. [;)]

How was it better? I got the update as well and it seems exactly the same to me. I was hoping I could get it set back to the way it started from the factory, but so far it hasn't worked.

I'll probably get a tune from Wayne and run his and Tom's on the dyno for comparisons.... I'm surprised no one else has done it yet, though. [/B]

I've spent so much time going back & forth in my own mind between the two "big gun" tuners we all talk about here that I'm about to do this myself just to ensure I'm making the right decision. Yes, it's quite a bit of cash. But I look at this way. Having given up (almost) all the vices of my youth, I find myself with alot more jingle in my pockets these days. A guy's gotta be able to piss away his money on SOMETHING!!!! ;-)

Seriously, this car is probably my one indulgence in an otherwise modest lifestyle. As I said in another thread, I COULD have spent a lot more on a "midlife-crisis-mobile". I can afford it. I just don't see the point when you can have just as much fun with an SVTF for a lot less money.

I plan to keep my SVT and drive it for as long as I possibly can. The price of aquiring both tunes and comparing them to see which one suits me best doesn't seem like too much to pay to be as happy as possible while I'm driving it.

As for the earlier suggestion about returning the one you don't want, I wouldn't do that. It's not fair to the merchant. I don't see anything wrong with selling the one you don't want to someone who prefers it to the one you decide to keep, though. They get what they want and you get to recoup some of your "R&D" costs.

Cheers,

CLBinMD

Well said CLBinMD[thumb]

SVT monkey...what is this "was hoping I could get it set back to the way it started from the factory, but so far it hasn't worked."...does that mean you cant load the stock tune back up right?

Originally posted by Iceboy9191
SVT monkey...what is this "was hoping I could get it set back to the way it started from the factory, but so far it hasn't worked."...does that mean you cant load the stock tune back up right?

No, he means he wants the idle back to the stock parameters of where it revs and holds for a few when cold. He has the tune update now with those settings back to stock.

hey wayne, if your not to busy, can you send me the street tune and highway tune, with the settings like stock, because the loppy idle is really bugging me as well. thanks

Originally posted by CLBinMD
As for the earlier suggestion about returning the one you don't want, I wouldn't do that. It's not fair to the merchant. I don't see anything wrong with selling the one you don't want to someone who prefers it to the one you decide to keep, though. They get what they want and you get to recoup some of your "R&D" costs.

Cheers,

CLBinMD

I was not saying for everyone to buy and then return to the vendor - I was responding to someone wondering how the tunes compare to one another, in terms of performance. This could be accomplished by ONE person doing what I suggested in the earlier post. Same car, same dyno, and let's compare results.

I do not think there is anything wrong with test-driving all or some of the tunes and keeping the one that you like best, however - these tuners all advertise x-number of days trial, money-back.

Buying a DVD, say, burning it and then returning it, or buying a suit jacket, using it for an event and returning it, is not right, and I would not endorse that. But buying a tune, trying it out and then removing it from your car and returning it according to the terms the vendor has, with the product undamaged and resaleable by the vendor - there is nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by Fordson
I was not saying for everyone to buy and then return to the vendor - I was responding to someone wondering how the tunes compare to one another, in terms of performance. This could be accomplished by ONE person doing what I suggested in the earlier post. Same car, same dyno, and let's compare results.

I do not think there is anything wrong with test-driving all or some of the tunes and keeping the one that you like best, however - these tuners all advertise x-number of days trial, money-back.

Buying a DVD, say, burning it and then returning it, or buying a suit jacket, using it for an event and returning it, is not right, and I would not endorse that. But buying a tune, trying it out and then removing it from your car and returning it according to the terms the vendor has, with the product undamaged and resaleable by the vendor - there is nothing wrong with that.

How do you figure there is nothing wrong with that? Kinda like having your cake and eating it to, just doesnt happen. Thats why I have a clause on my website that states:
Returns - All returns must be within 25 days of the date of invoice. All returned products must be in original, UNOPENED, & resalable condition, identical to the condition that it was received in, with all original documentation, boxes, etc. All returns are subject to a 25% restocking fee.

If I get the XCal back, and it has been connected to the car, (shows the Factory file on the Xcal)there will be NO refund without acceptable reason.

Originally posted by Hypnotic
How do you figure there is nothing wrong with that? Kinda like having your cake and eating it to, just doesnt happen. Thats why I have a clause on my website that states:
Returns - All returns must be within 25 days of the date of invoice. All returned products must be in original, UNOPENED, & resalable condition, identical to the condition that it was received in, with all original documentation, boxes, etc. All returns are subject to a 25% restocking fee.

If I get the XCal back, and it has been connected to the car, (shows the Factory file on the Xcal)there will be NO refund without acceptable reason.

How is that having my cake and eating it, too? If I give you the thing back, having removed the tune from my car, and you can resell it, what have you lost, and what have I gotten out of it? I am OF COURSE talking about sending it back to you with your file (not the factory one) one there, showing that I have gone back to the factory flash in the car.

When I bought my Predator from Tom, there was a 5-day money-back, no-questions-asked provision. What if I buy your tune and I don't like it, or my car doesn't like it? If I buy a pair of pants online or in a brick-and-mortar store, and they don't fit, I want to be able to return them - and 99.9% of retailers out there will take them back, if I have not affected their ability to resell them. And yes, they may charge me a restocking fee if I took forever to return it - I have never seen one over 15%.

I know you sell a good product, Wayne, but if I want to return it to you, what are you out besides the shipping? It's an off-the-shelf tune. If I have had you work on it for me and you have time and effort into it, that's different.

You are saying that I would have to come up with ~$80 and what you think is a good reason to return it?

ouch....

I look forward to seeing what Wayne has to say in response. Unless I misunderstood him, I think my opinions of him may have changed a little.

To not want a customer to compare/contrast his tune against another tune sounds very unprofessional. Also, to not accept returns on a tune that, for whatever reason, someone may not like, or don't think was worth the money is surprising to me.

CLBinMD , When you get ready to do this you let me know , If my tune isnt up to par i DO NOT expect you to pay for it and even knowing what you are doing with it will guarantee you a 100% refund if that is what you decide

Your not that far from me the BEST tune you can get is on a dyno and tuning it there , Sence this is your toy we could install a 250HP and the wheels on 93 fuel turbo kit as well LOL

Tom

I do not think Wayne unprofessional, or that he is not willing to compare his product - as a matter of fact, I think that his tune may look stronger in a comparison, because he tunes a bit aggressively and then backs off parameters on an individual-customer basis, going off of customer feedback.

From what I read, I think he proves his commitment every day with the level of service he provides.

I am just surprised to hear that that is his policy - I guess I was unaware of it. I would say that ~$80 is kind of high to return product, based on the overhead involved in picking a unit out of stock, uploading the standard flash, giving it to Fed Ex for delivery to the customer and servicing the account administratively. I understand that the level of customer support he provides does cost money, but if you return the product, you don't present a support obligation to him.

I had never intended to get into a discussion about this aspect of the subject. However, the most I think would have resulted from my suggestion is maybe one or two people trying out both the SCT and Diablo unit and the various tunes, and posting about it. I don't think any of the tuners would have suffered business reverses because of my suggestion.

I still think comparing the products from all the tuners with one car, on one dyno, is a fascinating idea.

Oh here we go, more Hypnotic Bashing [?|]

DID YOU NOT ALL SEE THE "ACCEPTABLE REASON" IN THE LAST LINE OF THAT CLAUSE??????

I offer NA tune updates for 6 months, one of the reasons for that is the fact that every car has variables. Now, to find out that someone has purchased my product for use in "testing" and then decided to return it, without previously informing me of said testing, then why should I accept a product back?
Besides, it takes a couple of days to learn in. Yes you will see immediate improvement from stock, but to really get the full effect from the tuning, you will need to drive it!!!
If you are COMPLETELY unhappy with the tune, or if I cant get it right via updates, then yes I will take it back. But to just take it, use it for a week, and then return it?
Bottom line, I have had 1 Xcal returned from a customer whose car got lemoned 2 days after he bought it. I understand that issue completely, and then he upgraded to a Cobra, to which I sent him the tuner back with the Cobra PCM code and a base tune for a tuner in his area to use for his dyno tuning with his upgrades he was buying.


Yes, Tom offers a 5 day unconditional money back, thats fine. If someone were to contact him over a week later and tell him that they didnt like it, would he take it back?
But to take it, use it and then return it after that? You guys have GOT to be kidding.
And besides, if you wanted to see side by side dyno comparisons, I am SURE that Tom and I could work something out on a neutral car that neither one of us has tuned or seen before. THAT is a true test :)

besides, if you wanted to see side by side dyno comparisons, I am SURE that Tom and I could work something out on a neutral car that neither one of us has tuned or seen before. THAT is a true test :)

Music to my ears...I'm sure I am speaking for all of the SVT owners on this forum when I say, "Let's make it happen..."

Tom, what say you??? I want to see something organized....

LOL, no response to the "Acceptable Reason" line. [8]

my response to that would be you already delineated that you have a narrow definition of "acceptable reason".

What response were you looking for? If someone was to purchase your tune and for whatever reason didn't prefer to keep it (whether it's because the tune didn't accomplish what someone was hoping, or that in comparison another tune was preferable) you stated that a return/refund would not be authorized. That is fine, and that's your perogative since it is your product. I was under the impression that a satisfaction guarantee is a guarantee of satisfaction, or your money back. Thank you for correcting this assumption.

Ok I understand where wayne is coming from. I mean using a tune for more than 5 days and then returning it is like wearing those pants a bunch of times then giving it back. It would be like joy-riding the product. I hope that helps clairfy what he is trying to say. But hey I say bring on the dyno!!

Originally posted by Hypnotic
Oh here we go, more Hypnotic Bashing

Now, you know that is not so. [:X]

Ok I understand where wayne is coming from. I mean using a tune for more than 5 days and then returning it is like wearing those pants a bunch of times then giving it back. It would be like joy-riding the product.

That is not so, either. That's where my pants analogy falls down (ha ha) - with a tune, there is nothing to wear out. Using a tune (a digital file) and then returning it is not the same as if it were tires, for example. If you drop the Xcal and step on it or short it out, that is different.

A tune is a piece of intellectual property, like software, a book, or music or movies. With those things, there is a risk of piracy - that would be a concern. But with a tune, from what I know, there is not really a risk of IP theft. I don't see someone reverse - engineering one of these tunes and then selling it - you would have to support it, and if you can't do that, you're done.

The difference here is that we are not dealing with a pair of pants. A more accurate analogy would be purchasing downloadable software for your computer, an item that does not show "wear and tear".

(let's assume that it is impossible to copy this software in any way)

You purchase trial software online and download it. It comes with a satisfaction guarantee. If, after 5 days you don't like the software it will expire (much like free trial shareware) and be rendered unusable unless you pay full retail amount.

Vendors are able to do this with their software because it doesn't cost them anything to let people try it. The software is intellectual property, not real property, and there are no variable costs associated with its production.

If you like it, buy it.

if you don't, return it (or dont pay for it).

The customer doesn't "gain" anything from the free trial. It's not like they were able to burn a copy and able to keep enjoying the software (or tune) for free after returning it.

Likewise, no one would buy a tune with the mindset that they are going to send it back after one night at the track or what have you. If the tune performs as advertised and the car runs better and faster, the person is going to want to keep the tune, no?

So, the joyriding/buying the clothes for one event comparison just doesn't seem to cut it, at least not to me.

But, if I were running a business and was afraid my time would be wasted by a bunch of people ordering tunes, then wanting to return them I would be hesitant to allow returns myself.

The issue, though, is that I doubt that would be the case with this particular item.

Ok, just for shits and giggles, lets take a look at other major (and minor) dealers listed return policies:
FS: 1. We will not accept unauthorized returns of any type. If you feel a return is warranted, please contact us for a return authorization number which must be marked on the outside of each package to be accepted in our receiving department. All returns must be prepaid and must include a copy of the original invoice. There will be no exceptions. 2. No returns after 7 days from date order is received. 3. All returns are subject to a 15% handling charge at our discretion. 4. There are no returns on electrical parts. 5. There are no returns on used or damaged parts unless found to be defective by us.

CFM: NO Returns policy published on website

McNews: NO Returns policy published on website

Focus-Power: NO returns policy published on website

SCT: No returns on opened or used merchandise, unless defective product.

Diablo: No returns on opened or used merchandise, unless defective product

I mean cmon, you guys are making me out to be some kind of bastard or a bad business man.

^^^ Which ur not. good point though.

Dude, I think you're having an off-night.

I like you. I've typed that statement all over this forum. I've advised friends to contact you about your tune because I felt you would fit their needs best. I've contacted you myself for advice and prices on exhaust parts for my car.

I said it's your business to run how you see fit. I'm no entrepeneur (don;t even know if I spelled that right) and you need to do what you feel is best for your business. No one is in business to lose money.

I see that you've compared your return policy with your business peers, but what I haven't seen is a personal explanation for your policy. I think if you gave a reason why you would not want to accept a return on a tune used for comparison purposes, then that would end the conversation right here.

Now, like I mentioned in my PM, I am really running behind on some work and need to keep my nose out of this forum for awhile.

in Wayne's defense, and correct me if I'm wrong, but once an SCT XCal is programmed with a code it's only good for that particular car, right? Like the 2002 SVTF has a different PCM Code than a 2004 SVTF and an SCT sold to one can't be sold to another?

If so the whole pants analogy isn't really accurate since we're talking about a product that once programmed for whichever year SVTF we have is limited to a market of ONLY those few thousand SVTFs that were built with that engine code.

Originally posted by Hypnotic
Ok, just for shits and giggles, lets take a look at other major (and minor) dealers listed return policies:
FS: 1. We will not accept unauthorized returns of any type. If you feel a return is warranted, please contact us for a return authorization number which must be marked on the outside of each package to be accepted in our receiving department. All returns must be prepaid and must include a copy of the original invoice. There will be no exceptions. 2. No returns after 7 days from date order is received. 3. All returns are subject to a 15% handling charge at our discretion. 4. There are no returns on electrical parts. 5. There are no returns on used or damaged parts unless found to be defective by us.

CFM: NO Returns policy published on website

McNews: NO Returns policy published on website

Focus-Power: NO returns policy published on website

SCT: No returns on opened or used merchandise, unless defective product.

Diablo: No returns on opened or used merchandise, unless defective product

I mean cmon, you guys are making me out to be some kind of bastard or a bad business man.

You make a good point, but you are the one who took the discussion off on this product-return tangent and now don't like the direction the discussion's taken as a result.

I would not have brought it up if I were you, because as I said, I don't think there is a danger of mass returns coming your way as a result of my suggesting a way to compare the tunes.

You say only one tune came back, and it was because the car was lemoned. Tom says he has had no tunes come back. Randy at FS probably has a similar experience - so don't sweat it.

At this point, I think we're separating pepper from fly shit here.

My personal reasoning is this:

A performance part is a performance part. It is sold for the purpose of modifying your vehicle beyond the factory parameters to improve performance.

Every performance part company has a "no return if used" policy, period. Are we as "tuners" dealing in electronic parts to be any different?
Are you going to be able to buy a set of UDPs and return them if you dont like them, no. Cams? Camgears? Header? ORP? Exhaust? the list goes on and on.
The SVT notwithstanding, ANY of the chip companies will not take a chip back once it has been installed, PERIOD, unless it is defective.
Are the Xcals or the Predators any different? The product has been used!!!!
I, for one, am not going to be able, in clear conscience, to sell an Xcal out to someone as new that is NOT a new product. I will not!! Therefore, I must sell it at a reduced rate, thereby the restocking fee.

I do my damndest to make sure that my customers are taken care of and that I send them the tune updates as quickly as possible. Some slip through the cracks, and for that I have apologized over and over again.
Thats the main reason I started offering 6 months free NA updates.
1. because no one else does it, and
2. Because all cars are different and some need tweaking. But almost ALL my customers will tell you, I have nailed their car in 3 updates or less (Jacob, Dan, Keith- you guys have PITA cars [:D])

Oh, and as far as parts for comparison purposes, sorry, but I pay for ALL parts I have purchased to compare to someone elses before I decide to be a dealer for them. Once I am done with the comparison, I sell them as used parts on Ebay or on a forum board. JMHO

Originally posted by Hypnotic

2. Because all cars are different and some need tweaking. But almost ALL my customers will tell you, I have nailed their car in 3 updates or less (Jacob, Dan, Keith- you guys have PITA cars [:D])


Hey now, I like my car [:D]

Besides, I think we're getting closer...if I could only get a cold day now so that I could see a true cold start [?|]

Wayne, did you get my last email asking about xcal2, whether you will be able to optimize the tune if I send you data? How useful will this be? How much of an impact do you think?

Originally posted by SVTmonkey
Hey now, I like my car [:D]

Besides, I think we're getting closer...if I could only get a cold day now so that I could see a true cold start [?|]

Wayne, did you get my last email asking about xcal2, whether you will be able to optimize the tune if I send you data? How useful will this be? How much of an impact do you think?

Any hard data input is always a plus buddy [thumb]

Hey Wayne! I guess my shirt fell in one of THOSE cracks![:)~] Hope it comes out smellin' like a rose..if you get my drift! Speaking of drift..going too fast around a decreasing radius turn, I can drift..or, you might call it..going too fast for the turn butthaed!!,,braking is a GOOD thing!
I know you forgot or too busy..no harm - no foul...I'm patient [:D]

Hey Wayne, is there any new updates for the ZED0 cars? The reason I am asking is I received an update a month or 2 ago because it was stuttering sometimes at low rpms, sorta like it would hang at like 1500 rpms and when i let off the gas and hit it again it would be ok. Well it still does it every now and then and it seems as though I have lost some power as well coming from my butt dyno.. my email is chris_ewry@hotmail.com

i'm patient too, but it's been.......... hmmmm still waiting..... when you get some time can you pleaseeeee.... send me the street tune and highway tune with the cold start up set like factory please......................... thanks wayne, you've been great thus far. =)

FYI:

The lowest place (outside of ebay) I've found SCT xcalibrator was $325, now Wayne delivers the PC-xcal cables with his package and those go for $40.

So, throw in $10 for shipping and that comes out to $375, Wayne want's $345 for his unit, so he's paying me $30 AND gives me six months to torture him! What a masochist!

Seriously though, I don't blame Wayne, Tom or anyone who has this kind of policy, it's not a secret and anyone who "dares" to mod his/her car takes a risk. All these guys are small business owners and anyone who is or is close to someone who is a small busines owner knows that it's DAMN hard to survive.

Yeah, it would be cool to have all the tunes, and an un-biased shootout but unless the players (Hypnotic, Focus-power, Focus sport. . . ) would get something out of it (advertising?) it's not worth their cost/efforts.

Come to think of it, to the uninitiated, what would most people think if they heard "Send this guy $300-$550 and he'll send you a little box you can hook up to your car and make it run stronger and get better mileage". The words sound too good to be true but we all know better eh?

Oh damn, this thread sure got heated over the weekend. lol Not my intention though. Anyway, I drove my car over the weekend and noticed the surging is nearly completely gone, however there seems to be less power below 4K RPM now. I am going to email Wayne the results of the update. In the mean time, I am going to flash back to the previous tune as I would rather have the extra power down low and just deal with the surging (like many of you, I am a horse power junkie! LOL) Perhaps he will get it nailed on the next update (this one is only my second update)