Tom, Ive read in a few posts that if one was to go with a SC it would be the Vortech. Also, as of late, you mentioned "Vortech for many reasons".

Can you ellaborate?

Thanks Tom..

When i said "Vortech for many reasons".That was when someone asked if one was to choose between the Vortech kit or the FS SC , For many reasons i would choose the Vortech kit , That is where that comes from

Let me make this clear , In my opinion TURBO is still the only way to go , We all strive to make more power and TQ , why lessen that with a SC

Tom

Sorry Tom.. I gotta say it.
He says go with Vortech because he sells it!

Now to his credit, he wouldn't sell it if it wasn't something he thought was worth while but the largest reason for him saying to go one route over another is because he is a vendor for the product.

Personally I love the Vortech other than the extremely complex install the kit is very solid and capable! The aftercooler is extremely efficient and vortech has a decent rep in the industry.

Now having said that, I would also take a look at the powerworks setup. Tom wont suggest it and he has his reasons (I would wager none of his reasons have anything to do with the hardware itself), but the kit is also one to take a look at. The only downfall to the kit is it's a roots blower. But it overcomes this downside by being intercooled. And the fact that it is engineered by Cosworth can only give you the confidence that it was built correctly. It offers a Flat Torque curve. More torque than the Vortech will offer and the seat of the pants feel is pull all the way through the power band.

Unfortunately Powerworks is caught up in California politics right now so their kits are waiting on shelves ready to be released but are unable to do so until that issue is resolved. At least that's what I believe to be happening.

Dont get me wrong the vortech is also solid and I think either kit is a pick-em. But there are other alternatives that are worth a look. Even procharger (though it is my least favorite of the bunch) has upsides.

The Focus Sport SC is not the PowerWorks kit. Look at their site again. They sell the PW, but they have their own in the works too. Theirs is also Centrifugal.

Please re-read my post. Did I ever say the FocusSport kit was the powerworks kit. In fact did I ever mention focusSport?

I know FocusSport pretty well and yes I know what the FS supercharger is. My post wasn't in response to Tom.. It was a response to the first post.

Tom, I was fully aware of the comment you made and how it was related to the "which one" thread. I may be purchasing a SC or TC, I may not be. No reason to sway my thoughts. The question still stands and I would like to know your thoughts on the Vortech kit. Please, spare no details..

Well, then you re-read Toms. His says FS (FocusSport) that's where I was coming from, don't be such an a$$ about it. I wasn't rude to you, so can't we all get the same respect.

Where was I rude? You made a wrong assumption...
And I was typing my post when Tom posted. I didn't even see his post until after I posted. What is your deal?

Tom, I have 3,000.00 exactly. I recently lost my job but would am interested in FI. Can you sell me everything needed to install your Turbo setup? Also, I live on the west coast, how would I get it installed and tuned properly? If you could solve the above problems, no doubt I would go turbo.

Now, with a Vortech, I could purchase it from c-f-m and have a local vortech dealer install it for me and perhaps tune it.

What would you suggest?

How is that kissing Toms ass? I said nothing about Tom except for that it came from his post. I didn't make a wrong assumption. That's the one that Tom was comparing it to when the guy asked. He never mentioned the PW. I thought you made a mistake and was trying to help. You then come on here and are like "I know all about Focus Sport and what their SC is." , like you know everything. That's where you were being rude. Sorry that offended you so much. Geez.

Ok well since you seem dead set to continue this, let me enlighten you. I am friends with most the gang over at FocusSport. I was their test car for their SVT Cams. My car is there right now getting the Final turbo tune, I have driven the cars with the PowerWorks kit in them. My racing buddy is testing out the FocusSport Supercharger right now. And there are other things with which I have worked hand in hand with FocusSport. I would there are only few people who know more about FocusSport than I do that do not work there.

I know focusSport, you dont know me. Tom knows me, and I know him. We go back and forth all the time, but I still respect him though I disagree with him on many things. So how about you let this go. Realize I know a bit more than you are giving me credit for.

ampedout... do you have cash for the Vortech install as well? It's going to be hellishly expensive and probably not something you want to do yourself.

If I remember right Toms Stage 1 is just under 3K but to get it up and running is another 800 or so if I remember right. Tom can clarify.

I do NOT sell the Vortech kits , I did sell a few guys that wanted nothing but Vortech kits but sent them to the dealer i deal with to get them

I WILL NOT install them and i am no more fond of them than the ProCharger

I WILL NEVER make a decision of a product based on who sells it , It has to be able to stand on its own or it doesent nothing more nothing less

Im not much on the powerworks because of it being roots style (nothing new there) and because of the oil filter relocation , so it is a hardware issue , the rest only time will tell

I do feel for upgradeability that the Vortech and the ProCharger will be the best for upgradeability , We just installed the nes Vortech unit in a SVT with all stock pulleys and did 313HP at the wheels and on 93 octane , More about that later

David please dont put words in my mouth , You know me well enough now that if i have something to say i just say it , I dont pull any punches and dont need any one making words for me

Tom

Yup, Ive got a lil more than 3,000.00 I was thinking bout the Vortech tuner kit for 2100 or even the full kit for 2600. Ive got a lil reserve cash for install and tune. I got a buddy who owns a shop and Dyno that will tune my SC or TC for cheap. Im just trying to get a ballpark estimate and opinions.

Ok, let me finish, and I'll let it be. First off, I never said that you didn't know anything once. From what I read, it looked like you made a mistake. I tried to correct you in a nice way. You came back being an ass to me, so I said you didn't have to do that. I've explained why I said what I did in pretty much every post. I still don't get where you are saying that I'm not giving you credit for anything. You're right, I don't know you and you don't know me. Hell, I never questioned your knowledge of anything or anyone. I even apologized for saying anything. I'm glad you know all those people, and wish I knew some of them too. People make mistakes like I thought you did all the time. They get corrected and go on with their lives. I was trying to do the same and I was wrong. Again I apologize. No hard feelings.

Fair enough Tom [;)]

You used to sell the Vortechs though, I didn't know you stopped!

I'll not touch on the powerworks stuff, because I've bogarted Amped's thread enough.. sorry bout that!

My STG1 cost 2795.00 if your buddy can do the tuning get your chip from him , you can shop around for injectors and a MAF and save you some off the 850.00 for the MIC kit

You will have much better TQ and HP than any SC can offer

Tom

Na this isnt like other focus boards we talk about stuff here , Spill it


Tom

Yeah, sorry for screwing up your thread. I apologize to you too, amped.

I would LOVE your kit tom. Is the seat of your pants experiance abotu the same (as in belly rush and I know turbo is alot more) but meaning does the vortech kick in and pull all the way to redline much like a Turbo would?

My buddy has the dyno but has never done a Focus. He mentioned to get a chip and he would tune it. He told me he could get me a Precision kit and everything for roughly 3,700 i think.

If I purchased the stg1 could I have it tuned with a SCT chip or would I have to use the Preditor?

Its ok, nothing was screwed.. Sh|t happens.

With the STG1 you can tune with what ever your friend wanted to use

With my turbos when you mash the gas you go and its right now , much more to the butt feel than a SC will ever do

Tom

Great. Well, im still unsure. If I get more work I will be using this car as a daily driver and be accumulating 800-1100 miles mon-fri not to mention at home driving. I only have this amount of money and am still confused. I think a Vortech would be the easiest to install and tune.

What do you think is the cheapest your turbo could be done for (install and tune) based on average labor prices etc. Can you tune a chip for me? Is the kit installable by ones self?

My experience with turbo vs sc, on the zetec foci anyways, is that sc'd you hit the pedal and go, it's 80% sex across the powerband from the git-go. With turbo you may get a lag depending on what your setup is, but it sets you back 100% after that. Some sc guys say they'd never do a turbo and vice-versa. We have done a turbo one and a roots, I think if we ever do another fi it'll be a centrif sc. That'll be a year or two down the line, which is fine with me, cuz all u guys can put em on and fine tune em til then so I have a good source of bitchin both ways to read about :D

g

Originally posted by 1turbofocus
My STG1 cost 2795.00 if your buddy can do the tuning get your chip from him , you can shop around for injectors and a MAF and save you some off the 850.00 for the MIC kit

You will have much better TQ and HP than any SC can offer

Tom

Tom,
I sent you a PM...I'm interested in the Stg1. Will this keep emissions and all?? How much additional for you to install...and can I drive down there sometime in April...???

My SVT turbo kit keeps the CAT in the stock location

STG1 install cost 650.00

Sure just let me know when your ready and get me a deposit to get it built

Tom

deposit? can you pay in payments?

Dont realy like to do payments , I require a deposit then balance when finished

Tom

Tom I only have time to call after 5:30 Mountain time but would love to talk with you about a purchase.. Answer the damn shop phone! lol. How long will it take you to assemble the whole STG1 Kit?

Originally posted by Blurry
Tom,
I sent you a PM...I'm interested in the Stg1. Will this keep emissions and all?? How much additional for you to install...and can I drive down there sometime in April...???
So, $2795 + $850 + $650 (includes tuning?)...total of $3295...correct? Any tax?? How much of a deposit.

Are you sure you added correctly? I think you need a 4 where you have the 3.
$4295.00

Why yes he does

I will be on the dyno all day tommorrow try me there 704-827-3944

Tom

Originally posted by belacyrf
Are you sure you added correctly? I think you need a 4 where you have the 3.
$4295.00
Thanks. I stand corrected...I wish it was $3295...I'd be doing it in April...

and so ends the long tail of Supercharger question to turbo sale. There were some welcome friends, angry members, and a question or two answered... ah...what a day... what a day... this my friends, is what focusfanatics is all about. Thank you, and good night.

If you're interested in the stage 1 kit, why not drop into the Focus-Power forum and join in the group buy discussion? Maybe we can outnumber the full kit guys. [8D]