: Swap For Focus 2.3*Pictures*
11-17-2004, 10:13 PM
Now all you 2.3 guys just have to figure out the tranny part:
11-17-2004, 10:26 PM
why can't ford put together a car that looksthat sexy
11-17-2004, 10:37 PM
that is a nice car lol
i would drive one
"looks around" guess its time to change my sig "cough cough cough"
11-17-2004, 10:41 PM
11-17-2004, 11:12 PM
That's hot V!
11-18-2004, 06:21 PM
I want one!!!!
11-18-2004, 06:35 PM
I wonder how much Mazda is going to price the beast.
11-18-2004, 06:37 PM
That turbo looks mighty tiny to me. On the other hand, it's more than what Ford offers us.
11-18-2004, 09:33 PM
11-18-2004, 09:37 PM
maybe ill have job by the time it comes out.
11-18-2004, 09:55 PM
11-19-2004, 04:36 PM
The turbo is a T3 set up for the 2.3L. Thats a duratec 23 in there. That's it. Same as in the Mazda3, and the base engine in the Mazda6. They offer the Haldex AWD from Volvo,(Ford put it in the 500, and Merc. Montego).
11-19-2004, 04:41 PM
MmmMmmm....Allwheel drive. I can taste the snow now.
11-19-2004, 04:41 PM
sweet, I have a feeling one of those will find its way into my engine bay in the near future! I would probably just use the regular focus mtx75 with a LSD instead of worrying about the all wheel drive aspect, unless it just bolted on with no modifications.
11-22-2004, 11:15 PM
Probablly would be cheaper to buy the Subaru Legay GT Turbo. AWD, 2.5L *(same block as the STi) and it stickers for about $27K.
If Mazda wants to sell any of these they had better keep that price in mind when they release that car.
Oh, BTW Soob is running about 250 hp and 250 torque. Tuning the Soob's plant to put down 300+/300+ would be a very do'able thing.
11-22-2004, 11:49 PM
that engine is significantly different in comparison to ours. one of the big ones is the direct injection, that means a different head.
11-23-2004, 12:02 AM
but, if it's a 2.3, and they didn't change much, and the 2.3 bolts up to the mtx-75, wouldn't that make that awd system available for all engines that bolt up to the mtx? so, in like ten years, when there's enough of them wrecked, i could find one in a junkyard somewhere and thusly have my awd focus that's been keeping me awake at night? just a thought, probably isn't even possible.
11-23-2004, 01:01 AM
nope. that awd setup won't work on the focus, it is a different platform.
there are next to zero common parts.
i highly doubt that will be any easier of a swap than a v8, possibly even more difficult.
11-23-2004, 01:47 AM
I think the swap would be doable. If you figure that this new motor, which I will call 2.3T, has the same base of a block as the current 2.3NA motor. Forget swapping heads and all of that. Just do the whole motor, minus AWD Tranny. Now if 2.3T has the same physical traits of 2.3NA, to get this engine into the engine bay, you should just need a set of motor mounts, and I would think that the ones from the 2.3NA would attach to the same points on the 2.3T motor.
Since they both have the same base, you could assume as well that they would have the same bolt structure for the transmission, minus a few parts. I think this an equally similar comparision to bolting an SVT motor to a regular MTX75. So with a MTX attached to the 2.3T motor, it is now in the car, keeping in mind some minor things may have to be moved to accomodate piping and all (i.e. Battery, Washerfluid basin etc.).
Assuming the 2.3T is now acctually resting in the Focus, I would think the only thing remaining would be the Mazda's ECU, wiring harness, and other bits and pieces.
The 2 areas the I don't know how to incorporate would be:
1: The Intercooler
I am not too sure if there would be enough clearance to use the top mount intercooler, so you may need to convert to a front mount.
2: The Driveshafts
I am not too knowledgable about how driveshafts work. I don't know if they attach to the tranny or the motor, but I'll assume tranny. If this were true, existing driveshafts would be possible, if not, the original ones from the 2.3T may need to be used.
In summary, I think the difficulty level of the swap needs to be compared more to the level of putting a B18 in a 92 civic hatch, or putting a Turbo motor into a non-turbo eclipse. Sure, it is not a drop in swap, but with a little work and perhaps some customizing, I think this will be the swap that inspires a future generation of Focus owners.
Comments, Suggestions, Critiques? I'd love to hear them
11-23-2004, 09:08 AM
Its the same, my parts guys carry both for the Foci, and the 3. We took some of the parts out of the boxes, and they are the same. Different price of course, but look EXACTLY the same. As for the AWD, get a Soob. Hell get a BMW 3 series for all I care, just dont put TOO much into a Focus. It is still a Focus. And there is more to AWD then the tranny, lots more.
11-23-2004, 12:10 PM
you guys don't seem to be reading this. It is a VERY different motor. The architecture has changed dramatically between this motor and the motor that is being used right now. It is the next generation one. This motor is not available yet, there is no way your parts guys have seen this motor. They most likely won't be selling components of the motor either, it will probably only be available as a complete motor and will be very expensive.
11-23-2004, 03:58 PM
meh, I am still going to do it anyway...
11-23-2004, 09:02 PM
have fun, i would expect that motor with turbo and everything to be over $6k