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Finally. After a year of coy not-quite denials, we’ve got something official from Ford that the Fiesta ST is coming to the U.S. That Ford hadn’t officially confirmed the Fiesta ST’s sale here was as secretive as the Taurus Limited is, in fact, limited. A concept-in-name-only Fiesta ST was shown at the 2011 L.A. auto show, and since then, Ford employees in the U.S. and Europe have winked and nodded about U.S. sales.

The Fiesta ST is included in compliance documents that Ford filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration this month. There are two points worth highlighting.

First, the horsepower listed is 160, and that’s a surprise. Europeans will get a Ford-confirmed 178 hp in their Fiesta ST, and the company has been loud lately about the One Ford policy meaning global markets get the same cars. Before the launch of the Focus ST, the Blue Oval issued press releases saying that its new hot hatch would be almost identical in the U.S. and Europe.
Second, the 160-hp number corresponds in the chart to the older TiVCT engine—that’s the naturally aspirated 1.6 in the existing regular Fiesta. Misalignments and bad copy/pasting happen all the time in these manufacturer-submitted documents, and there are others in this one. The 1.0-liter engine in the third row is listed as an “I4″ when we know it’s an inline-three.

Probably a typo, why would they de-tune the engine that's in the Fusion and Escape for a performance car.

If it's not a typo, I wouldn't be surprised anyway. 160HP on US spec gas...so is it tuned on 91? I'd believe 160HP.

I think the cheap stuff in England is what, 95? If the 178HP figure comes from a tune on that...

With that said, I don't care if it has 160 or 180HP. As long as it can hold its own throughout the powerband, it may not matter. Torque is more crucial.

If it's not a typo, I wouldn't be surprised anyway. 160HP on US spec gas...so is it tuned on 91? I'd believe 160HP.

I think the cheap stuff in England is what, 95? If the 178HP figure comes from a tune on that...

With that said, I don't care if it has 160 or 180HP. As long as it can hold its own throughout the powerband, it may not matter. Torque is more crucial.

This doesn't add up tho. Why does the US spec Ford Escape 1.6T have 178hp? And why does the US Spec Mondeo/Fusion have 178hp?

This doesn't add up tho. Why does the US spec Ford Escape 1.6T have 178hp? And why does the US Spec Mondeo/Fusion have 178hp?

Ah, that's a different story. Then you're probably right.

I mean maybe they detuned it for some reason, but if it's mechanically identical, all that will mean is there will be an even bigger gain from a tune once you buy it.

US spec emissions might be responsible for the lesser hp.

US spec emissions might be responsible for the lesser hp.

Read above, there are two other cars on the road right now in the U.S. with the same motor, rated at the same 178hp as Europe.

if its the same as the euro engine, it can easily be tuned to "true" numbers.

or hell, im gonna tune it anyway. 180 horses or bust

I think that we will have to wait and see. I think the 180 hp will happen, because it won't sell well with 160 hp.

I think the cheap stuff in England is what, 95? If the 178HP figure comes from a tune on that...

I'll just leave this here...
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It has to keep up with the dart, veloster t, mini s? Numbers... So im guessing itll be 175-180ish, ford cant be that stupid

Also, mazdaspeed2? Anyone?

It has to keep up with the dart, veloster t, mini s? Numbers... So im guessing itll be 175-180ish, ford cant be that stupid

Also, mazdaspeed2? Anyone?

Dart = more of a Focus competitor than a Fiesta competitor.

Though a Speed2 would be cool! Not sure Mazda sells enough regular 2s to justify it though.

The Mini and the Veloster are the Focus' competition too but maybe the Fiesta can compete well out of it's class. The Fiat Abarth is it's target.

either way i'm excited as hell for a fiesta st stateside. imo its closer to an svtf descendant than the focus st. as its still pretty small.

either way i'm excited as hell for a fiesta st stateside. imo its closer to an svtf descendant than the focus st. as its still pretty small.

Exactly, and should be quite a bit cheaper. If I can get a Fiesta ST for $23-24k with recaros, I can pay it off a year sooner than a Focus ST, which means I can then have a fun DD car, and a play car.

I'm starting to get uncomfortably excited for this car

any words on what the transmission and suspension units will be? What about brakes?

I know the stock fiesta has drums, but this thing will need discs all around. The 6 speed also will need to be a robust unit...maybe from the current focus?

No idea who is supplying the (hopefully???) tightened suspension.

Finally, I gotta say this again, NO MYFORD TOUCH! YES! THANK YOU FORD FOR NOT CRAMMING IT DOWN THIS CARS THROAT. WHEN WILL YOU REALIZE MFT and your dry dual clutch system is a WASTE OF TIME

err...got a bit excited there.

meh. i'll wait for the article that actually confirms it getting the nod to be sold here.

Read above, there are two other cars on the road right now in the U.S. with the same motor, rated at the same 178hp as Europe.

the escape/fusion version might not be the same as the fiesta version. Engine bay sizing and/or transverse/longitudinal might necessitate different headers or turbo piping etc.

one example of this is the 2.0 skyactiv engine in mazdas. in the 3, it couldnt fit the proper long tube headers so it was only a 12:1 compression ratio, but in the Cx5 it was 13:1.

Turbos force more air in. That extra air has the leave the exhaust pipe. However, if they're more bends and a smaller diameter exhaust pipe the flow will be decrease. I.E. will not produce as much power.

Everything is not as trivial as one would think. All government regulations alogn with manufacturers specifications have to all be aligned. This decrease in power could be a combination of multiple items.

However, it does seem strange that there would be a 10% decrease in power.

The Mini and the Veloster are the Focus' competition too but maybe the Fiesta can compete well out of it's class. The Fiat Abarth is it's target.

I wonder how much torque the engine is going to put out. Also,I'd be interested in the weight of the Fiesta ST.

The regular Fiesta weighs, what, 2300-2400 pounds? Less than the Focus SVT's 2800 or so.

US spec emissions might be responsible for the lesser hp.

Are you sure that European emissions standard are lower than that of the U.S.?

Keep in mind that the Focus ST has virtually identical HP/TQ ratings worldwide.

If it's not a typo, I wouldn't be surprised anyway. 160HP on US spec gas...so is it tuned on 91? I'd believe 160HP.

I think the cheap stuff in England is what, 95? If the 178HP figure comes from a tune on that...


You cannot directly compare octane numbers.

In most countries, only the Research Octane Number (RON) is used.
In the U.S., gasoline octane is rated as RON + MON / 2.

For example, Shell "V-Power" in Italy and Germany is rated at 100 octane which would be equivalent to 94 octane in the U.S.

You cannot directly compare octane numbers.

In most countries, only the Research Octane Number (RON) is used.
In the U.S., gasoline octane is rated as RON + MON / 2.

For example, Shell "V-Power" in Italy and Germany is rated at 100 octane which would be equivalent to 94 octane in the U.S.

Plus higher octane gasoline doesn't have any more energy in it than a lower octane gasoline. 10% horsepower differential could not be responsible from higher/lower octane gasoline. There is an energy difference between E10 and gasoline without ethanol.

Everybody is scoffing at the 160hp, but I think that sound pretty decent. Throw on a CAI and exhaust, and it'll be pushin 175 no problem. That will be a blast to drive

Everybody is scoffing at the 160hp, but I think that sound pretty decent. Throw on a CAI and exhaust, and it'll be pushin 175 no problem. That will be a blast to drive

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And I never said 18 horsepower wasnt a big deal, I just said it wasnt a big enough deal to complain about. Yeah, they get 18 more hp than we do. Their Focus ST gets 6 more hp than ours does.

It probably has to do with emissions and fuel economy more than anything

hmmmm. I read the ST will have 197 HP in a couple different articles. I hope that sticks.

hmmmm. I read the ST will have 197 HP in a couple different articles. I hope that sticks.

197 is confirmed by Ford. Please see other threads on this forum

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