well yesterday after work, we had a meeting with a scion rep and he came to talk to us about the xa xb, upcoming tc, which i won't say anything about (nothing will be said until the detroit auto show when the info is released) and a few other things, seems they will be on the east coast on Feb, 3rd....but what do you guys think of the new scions?...they have 40 accessories to choose from, which most of it the dealer installs (aem intake, trd exhaust and suspension, hotckis strut bar, neons, systems with subs, up to 19" wheels and so much more)...right now toyota's average age is 46 and scion is 32, do you think it will be a big hit or die off due to the lack of horsepower?...

i talked to the guy for quite some time after the meeting and he kinda thought twice about there advertising being that the thing going now is cheap horsepower, something the scion lacks with having the vvti 105hp motor from the echo...so who you pay 14g's for a rolling bus thats slow as shit but gets good gas milage?.. i'd like to know what you all think.

eh looks like PT Cruiser competetion, but sadly even w/ the mods i dont think it could keep up[:o]

Not sure what the MPG's are but I think most people who buy cheap cars aren't looking for any hugh HP. I mean, people don't buy Hyundai or Kia because of their HP but because of their cheap price. I think with Toyota, you might be getting higher quality then the Koren cars but usually it's the price that lures people to the Koren cars.

So ,14K for a cheap car really isn't cheap concidering you can get one of those Koren cars for about 7K.

I think Toyota needs to look in to the other cars in the 13-16K price range and see if they are competitive as far as price, features and MPG.

FYI-
Scion website (http://www.scion.com/)

Originally posted by microtonal
Not sure what the MPG's are but I think most people who buy cheap cars aren't looking for any hugh HP. I mean, people don't buy Hyundai or Kia because of their HP but because of their cheap price. I think with Toyota, you might be getting higher quality then the Koren cars but usually it's the price that lures people to the Koren cars.

So ,14K for a cheap car really isn't cheap concidering you can get one of those Koren cars for about 7K.

I think Toyota needs to look in to the other cars in the 13-16K price range and see if they are competitive as far as price, features and MPG.

FYI-
Scion website (http://www.scion.com/)

yea but thats the thing...ok, they took some surveys and saw that only one in 3 people spend more than 3g's on there car....as for what they call the "Y" generation...these weren't geared for people wanting cars for mpg...they were geared for tuners under the age of 30

My Gf wants the boxxy one. The accessories is where toyota will make the money. $300 for foglights is a rip off. But you can get an exhaust and air intake and Bazooka sub and all kind of stuff. I just wish one day Toyota comes out with something exciting one day.

i wonder if the accessories will be subaftermarket though, as in a waste because the aftermarket will come out w/ somthing better anyway later?

Originally posted by mofocus
i wonder if the accessories will be subaftermarket though, as in a waste because the aftermarket will come out w/ somthing better anyway later?

it already had turbo's and blowers out for it....and the only thing i see this being big in, is stereo's.

Scion is a cute idea. Just wish they had more power out of the box.

The exhaust does have a borla tip I believe. Or it might just be a Borla tip and that's it, not a full exhaust. I saw it on the scion website.

Aside for Horsepower I think the car is great. You cant beat Toyota quality, reliability, or dependability. I personally would have had a hard decision if the Scions were available. However....If you actually drive a Toyota you will notice that even though their HP rating are typically lower there gearing is such that they actually feel as strong as other more powerful motors. Take for instance the Camry 4cyl. Drive it, then drive a honda or Nissan that has more HP. The camry will feel just as good. And its a better built car.

Also the TRD is currently designing a supercharger kit for either the Xa I believe or both. So that will give the speed demons the anticapated power they were looking for.

I think Toyota is wasting money on that car, I never even considered it

I see quite a few of them, the mini-SUV ones. Theyre not all that bad, not much different from the Honda Element really, but I did see a black one with some 18's on it that didn't look too bad, haven't been inside one yet though so can't say anything on the interior. Doubt I'd ever consider buying one though.

That's the ugliest cardboard box on wheels i've seen in my life, ugh.

That, the element, and the aztek are crimes against humanity because they are so ugly.

i dont see myself as a young buyer geting a thing like that !!!

One of my neighbors has the boxy one. It doesn't do much for me, but I kinda like the less boxy one. And there's something to tell the damn marketers right there - give it a real name. I don't know which is which, xB, xA or whatever the hell they're called, so to me they are "the boxy one" and "the less boxy one." Either way, they are priced attractively, but so far the only people I've seen driving them are the same people I've seen driving the new Mini: old-timers trying to recapture some of their long-lost youth.

It's funny too, that according to what I've read about the Scion, it's aimed at the young kids just getting old enough to have their first set of wheels - and yet, every student I've had who has seen one of those Scions while we're out driving has said it's the UGLIEST damn car they've ever seen. And that they would never consider it as a possibility when buying a car because it was just bizarre-looking.

Toyota forgot a letter in TRD.. It should read TuRD. I am american, and am going to support american companies against a country (Japan) who doesn't allow our products as freely in there country. When the trade is more equal, I will reconsider. I am not saying japanese products are bad, I am saying that in the current state of trade, they are hurting our economy. I don't want to hear about how they are built here, and people are put to work here. If more people bought American, more people would be employed. The japanese car mostly are assymbled here. From parts imported from japan. There are products that japan supplies that Americans don't.... all wheel drive cars and others.. fine. I can understand buying them to an extent. But on the whole, support our country!! we have been in a recesion for crying out loud!. Step back from the total selfishness and look at the big picture for a moment, and have some pride in America. BTW.. I really don't want to hear about the quality difference between jap stuff and American stuff. It isn't as big a difference as perceived. just look at consumer reports naming the Focus best small car. Sorry if I am not politicly correct here, but TOUGH S**T. I will not apologize for being an American!

Originally posted by SVT4ME
And there's something to tell the damn marketers right there - give it a real name. I don't know which is which, xB, xA or whatever the hell they're called, so to me they are "the boxy one" and "the less boxy one."

Well, the xB was originally the BBx in Japan, and I don't know if it originally was thought of this way, but it can be associated with Black Box, because I think thats how its marketed in Japan. So, just think xB is Boxy.

vanace...
true...
i suport to buy american products..
but...at least in cars...
american products are, in most cases, of less quality that the japan imports...
so the quality/price ratio is not good on americans...
at least ford is trying to change that...at least the focus is a very good car in the quality/price ratio...

Joel

" I am american, and am going to support american companies against a country (Japan) who doesn't allow our products as freely in there country. "

Er.. what? Do you realize how many AMERICANS have jobs because of Toyota?

http://www.toyota.co.jp/IRweb/special_rep/10Millionstoyotas/

I swear the ignorance... in this day and age people are still calling Toyotas IMPORTS and are calling them Japanese made.... even the PARTS are made here and in south AMERICA.

Well, vanace does have a point though about Japan not freely accepting imports of OUR cars to THEIR country. They have really tried to keep our cars out of their country, and when they have let them in, they let in the crappy ones. For example, the Chevy Cavalier was (maybe it still is) imported and sold as a Toyota.

I swear the ignorance... in this day and age people are still calling Toyotas IMPORTS and are calling them Japanese made.... even the PARTS are made here and in south AMERICA.


re-read this in my post: "The japanese car mostly are assymbled here. From parts imported from japan"

Maybe they are getting better about using more parts from North America, but historicly the major parts like drivetrains have been imported in from japan. Those are parts that are assymbled by people and country who put nothing into our social security system, not taxed as much as products made here.

It is a very sad day that a japaneese company has taken out Ford as the #2 auto maker. We are loosing ground in almost all areas to foriegn companies and that isn't right. America will become a service nation instead of a manufacturing nation soon and that would not be good. Most of the biggest advances in every area in history have come from American shores. I don't think we should give that up

It's far too expensive to do business in America right now, I think Ford is doing a stellar job keeping it together. Workman's comp and insurance is mainly to blame.