: best turbo for the $$$$


#1RoushZX3
10-10-2004, 04:23 PM
Whats the best turbo for the 2.3?It will be a mostly stock intercooled low-boost setup centered with a goal around 225-250hp.It will be a custom kit.....please dont say "buy toms kit" no direspect but i am poor so building my own is the only option.Also how much boost will a stock daily driver 2.3 take?I plan on a small turbo {faster spooling.there are many turbos on the market I'm planning on useing a used rebuilt turbo maybe a used mitsu turbo...whats your thoughts.details are a plus this will be my first turbo kit.

punkdrummer18286
10-10-2004, 05:42 PM
I'd look into a Greddy, not sure about the money issue but i'm lookin to maybe see what i can come up with on getting one of those.

#1RoushZX3
10-11-2004, 09:16 PM
a little help here tom
are you out there

drewzx3
10-11-2004, 09:50 PM
You better be looking for tuning. I dont believe anyone out there is capable of tuning for the 2.3 yet.

#1RoushZX3
10-11-2004, 11:11 PM
i dont want alot of boost will be on stock internals... as far as tuning i'm in the dark. i was thinking of a t25 or 28 with small intercooler.is there extensive tuning for a low boost setup. i was thinking of adding new injectors. also how much boost should i run on my stock daily driver

drewzx3
10-11-2004, 11:19 PM
you need tuning for any boost on the focus. I believe there is some companies working on being able to tune the 2.3.

punkdrummer18286
10-12-2004, 01:31 PM
Yeah, i don't think it really matters on the turbo setup, the main thing is getting tom to tune it lol. Even if you don't wanna get his kit, get his tune.

#1RoushZX3
10-12-2004, 10:35 PM
its gonna be a min before i am finalized i plan on a used turbo then rebuilding it...i hear that garrett turbos are cheaper to get rebuilt.been researching should i get oil or watercooled...what turbo would like a low boost setup i can turn up on track night....model numbers would help

belacyrf
10-12-2004, 10:49 PM
250 whp.
2.3 liter (.3 liters gained by increased stroke)
Inexpensive
Lack of turbo experience.

I dont mean to be a major downer.. but simply put. Probably not gonna happen.
I would bet if you do this yourself and on the cheap.. you'll be buying a new block before long.
Or if you do it right... you're going to end up spending more than buying it in kit form (assuming one existed)

I would give any advice to help you out, but unfortunately since nobody has boosted a 2.3 successfully yet or at least we've not heard of it yet, then it's hard to say what is a good idea for your setup. Best of luck.

zslaton
10-13-2004, 07:03 AM
I with belacyrf. 250 whp is massive, even on the 2.3L. The Focus RS in Europe puts out ~220 hp at the flywheel I believe, and that is still a massively fun car to drive. I think going turbo is great, but you may need to scale your performance expectations back. Good luck though! I hope to be there in about 4 years!

#1RoushZX3
10-13-2004, 10:42 PM
i guess i am gonna have to resort back to the juice....whats the holdup on programming is there not an ecu in fords garage that could be used.before i got my zx3 i had a crx it had an integra ecu{ran great} can this not be done with a ford

Vassili95
10-13-2004, 10:47 PM
What is a Roush Focus anyway. No disrespect but if it ain't boost'd it's kinda gay to have a Roush.

Sorry bad day!

Paix...

#1RoushZX3
10-14-2004, 12:25 AM
i agree but it handles great and looks fat

ZETEC3
10-14-2004, 12:29 AM
To answer your question on what turbo a T3 Super 60 would be perfect for ya. It's a quick spooling turbo with plenty of room for more power if wanted later down the road.

#1RoushZX3
10-14-2004, 01:09 AM
i am so confused, i can fab and install but will it work

Vassili95
10-14-2004, 06:04 AM
Originally posted by #1RoushZX3
i agree but it handles great and looks fat
..cool. Do you have pictures?

Paix...

#1RoushZX3
10-14-2004, 09:37 PM
so can you turbo a 2.3 at any psi

EnigmaZV
10-14-2004, 09:46 PM
As has been stated, you shouldn't boost a Focus without proper tuning, which as of yet does not exist for the 2.3l duratec, unless you went with an external system of course which is major $$$

cgrant
10-14-2004, 10:40 PM
Someone needs to hurry up and get these 2.3L turbo kits out...Some of us are dying for em :O

belacyrf
10-14-2004, 10:59 PM
Roush.. of course you can turbo a 2.3.

It's just nobody has an exhaust manifold for it. But take a look around in the ranger community see what people are using (assuming you have the same exhaust ports, I'm not sure).

the biggest parts for you to conquer and figure out are the exhaust manifold and tuning. But tuning, you have the diablo and SCT. It's just that manifold that's gonna cause you fits.

If you have fab skills you can figure out the charge piping and the horror of mounting an intercooler.

Simply put, the turbo you choose for a 2.3 will be the same turbo people have chosen for the 2.0. A smaller T3 (super 60 would be great) or a T28, GT28, GT3071R etc... just get a turbo sized for a 2.0 liter, and you'll be fine. Will it be the perfect setup? Maybe not.. but will you still be happy with it??? absolutely assuming you have the tuning sorted.

#1RoushZX3
10-14-2004, 11:34 PM
what about the turbos off the 2.3 turbo mustang, i wonder if its manifold will work...are the zetec and pzev exhaust ports same size location....it will not be fun for sure, have you seen the room behind the pzev. another thought what about cutting my hood scoop and putting an intercooler like what is on a wrx

04svtfoci
10-14-2004, 11:36 PM
go to sportcompact cars website look under project cars at the svt focus an look at the garret turbo set they got from a company in indiana its sickening... like 250 whp an 220torq at like 8psi i think they said.

belacyrf
10-14-2004, 11:38 PM
You dont want that turbo.. it's a modified GT28RS with a larger compressor. The compressor is to large, and isn't really responsive. I'd go with a standard GT28RS over that one.

Roush.. unfortunately for you, if you decide to go forward with this project, then creativity will be key to getting it to fit. If you could find a way to mount a top mount intercoooler it would deifnately go a long way to getting the kit to fit easier. That way you dont have to get piping from the rear to the front of the car!

#1RoushZX3
10-14-2004, 11:43 PM
what trims do i need for a stock bottomend? would it be a good idea to destroke my 2.3? how much

belacyrf
10-15-2004, 12:07 AM
You know.. destroking it isn't a huge deal, you're just going to be more limited to the boost you can run. Because chances are, these rods are going to be quite a bit more brittle than the 2.0 version. And while deto can kill rods, so can excess pressures. I would leave the 2.3 and just run lower boost. At some point, you can look into rods/pistons and at that point, you can really look at bumping up the boost.

Turbo trims are important, but compressor maps are more the key to finding what fits for you. You have to pick your power goals (realistic goals) then read through the compressor maps to find out which one fits you.

If you really are serious about this, and you want to learn about turbo, I would suggest picking up the book.... Maximum Boost by Corky Bell. You'll get a very very good basic understanding to get you on your way to building a solid system.

#1RoushZX3
10-15-2004, 12:17 AM
my repsect you have been more than helpful belacyrf
the manifold is my first obstical
what about using the stock intake and making an adapter...like these remote kits..... not researched yet just a thought

1turbofocus
10-15-2004, 07:21 AM
I have a manifold and i have the CAN tuning ready to go i just need a car to finish the rest

Tom

2fast4u
10-15-2004, 07:52 AM
there u go roush, u can be the first project car .....

#1RoushZX3
10-15-2004, 06:19 PM
i would be honored, alabama to north ca how many hours is that