Can one of the mods make an area for 2012 only posts, it seems that there are enough of them to warrant there own area. It kinda sucks having to rifle through 4 pages of posts to find anything on non 2012 focuses. Don't get me wrong I cant wait for the new focus to show up either, but there has to be 15 posts about what color 2012 are you getting...Make an area for it so the non 2012 buyers can see our posts. Let the flaming commence.

Agreed. I was thinking same thing.

It's a different Focus all together so should warrant its own section and sub sections.

Nope, this area is for current Focus and other car related events and well that's what's currently going on. We're not going to separate out the different body styles at this point.

Back when I had a Sable and frequented the Taurus forum, they kept all the years together (85-2007ish?) for the most part. Only separated by Generation. Gave the brand new one its own section. Too much different to warrant staying with the rest.

It's a little Vague to say not doing it because not separating different body styles. That holds water with the focus line up, up until the 2012.

Point being. Similar cars for the most part same sections. Ford starts WHOLE new car, need to get separated. Not should. Need. Other (ford) forums are recognizing this with their respective vehicle.

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I know I, and I do believe OP, mean separate section. Not separating it in the General's section. That would be silly. Like 2012 needs it's own General, Audio/Video, Performance, etc sub section. Nothing will cross with the rest of the Focus line so it'll be too much sifting through previous focus info to find what you need.

Just saying...

I agree it would be nice to have a separate 2012+ Focus discussion area.

With the launch of the 2012, there's a lot of interest in the '12s and its difficult to sort thru all the misc stuff in the Focus Showroom and Focus and General Car Chat

Posted via FF Mobile Not sure what other focus information your trying to find in general chat OP? To be honest if the 2012 wasnt being taloed about this section would probably be dead. Im sure whatever info or discussions you are looking for are in other sections or can be found by doing a search. This forum hasnt seperated the years into different sections, no reason why it should for the 2012. I agree people dont need to make a ton of pages on colors, people just need to be more wary of what threads are up already and should just add on instead of making an entirely new thread.

If this forum is anything like the ones I've moderated in the past it takes A LOT more than just a few clicks from a mod to make an entire new section. That's admin work right there.

It would appear that FF is organized by engine rather than generation. Now I haven't been paying attention, so is the 2012 engine different than previous generations? If so I would think a separate section might be warranted. That's up to TOM though.

This thread belongs in the "feedback and requests" section...

If this forum is anything like the ones I've moderated in the past it takes A LOT more than just a few clicks from a mod to make an entire new section. That's admin work right there.

It would appear that FF is organized by engine rather than generation. Now I haven't been paying attention, so is the 2012 engine different than previous generations? If so I would think a separate section might be warranted. That's up to TOM though.

This thread belongs in the "feedback and requests" section...



Posted via FF Mobile Its still pretty much a duratec...so no. And there is already a section for Ecoboost when that engine becomes an option.

Posted via FF Mobile Its still pretty much a duratec...so no. And there is already a section for Ecoboost when that engine becomes an option.

So there ya go OP. I'd guess the 2012 stuff will be mixed with the Duratech chat section and ecoboost when it becomes available.

If this forum is anything like the ones I've moderated in the past it takes A LOT more than just a few clicks from a mod to make an entire new section. That's admin work right there.

It would appear that FF is organized by engine rather than generation. Now I haven't been paying attention, so is the 2012 engine different than previous generations? If so I would think a separate section might be warranted. That's up to TOM though.

This thread belongs in the "feedback and requests" section...

This^^


to the OP, what other kind of information are you looking for in here? The 2012 Focus is big news!

Also whats ironic is the OP posted this and now theres one more thread to get through lol.


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Never paid close enough attention but now that it's pointed out, more oriented around engines. Fair enough!

I completely agree, the 2012 needs its own area. The new Focus is about as similar to the older ones as the "New Beetle" is to the original. I don't think any parts or info is interchangeable between them at all. Only general Ford info, and wouldn't that be better served by a Ford forum?

Need another reason to give the 2012 its own area? (sensitive older Focus owners should stop reading now): I think any Focus other than the 2012 and Euro models is ghetto. Anything you do to it does not impress me. *puts on flame suit*

Now send me and the other snobs to a timeout in our own area :D

I completely agree, the 2012 needs its own area. The new Focus is about as similar to the older ones as the "New Beetle" is to the original. I don't think any parts or info is interchangeable between them at all. Only general Ford info, and wouldn't that be better served by a Ford forum?

Need another reason to give the 2012 its own area? (sensitive older Focus owners should stop reading now): I think any Focus other than the 2012 and Euro models is ghetto. Anything you do to it does not impress me. *puts on flame suit*

Now send me and the other snobs to a timeout in our own area :D

Cool story, bro. No new section for You.[thumb]

You may think You have something special, but to the rest of the Enthusiast World, it's still just a Focus, and that is unlikely to change.

I must admit, though. I am a little curious as to Your definition of "ghetto".

I completely agree, the 2012 needs its own area. The new Focus is about as similar to the older ones as the "New Beetle" is to the original. I don't think any parts or info is interchangeable between them at all. Only general Ford info, and wouldn't that be better served by a Ford forum?

Need another reason to give the 2012 its own area? (sensitive older Focus owners should stop reading now): I think any Focus other than the 2012 and Euro models is ghetto. Anything you do to it does not impress me. *puts on flame suit*

Now send me and the other snobs to a timeout in our own area :D. Mmm, not true. Regardless of what some people may say this new car IS still a focus, and youll realize that by driving it and looking at the finer details. As soon as you sit in the car youll notice a steering wheel reminiscent of the original that came out in 1998. The drive, although polished, still provides that sporty, road gripping feel all foci before had and gave the driver. The engine is still a 2.0l duratec, it just has a few extra features and added tech. If you open the hood, the engine will pretty much look the same as any other focus with the duratec. 2012 Focus wheels will fit on the european MKii. The original focus was supposed to be a hit in its segment and give the boring economy car segment some spunk...so does this 2012. Fuel mileage, appeal to a younger crowd, and sporty driving dynamics is what the focus is all about, both old and new.



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. Mmm, not true. Regardless of what some people may say this new car IS still a focus, and youll realize that by driving it and looking at the finer details. As soon as you sit in the car youll notice a steering wheel reminiscent of the original that came out in 1998. The drive, although polished, still provides that sporty, road gripping feel all foci before had and gave the driver. The engine is still a 2.0l duratec, it just has a few extra features and added tech. If you open the hood, the engine will pretty much look the same as any other focus with the duratec. 2012 Focus wheels will fit on the european MKii. The original focus was supposed to be a hit in its segment and give the boring economy car segment some spunk...so does this 2012. Fuel mileage, appeal to a younger crowd, and sporty driving dynamics is what the focus is all about, both old and new.



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Because a car is just an engine. Nevermind the chassis, body, suspension, transmission, interior, comfort features, etc...

Sorry about the term "ghetto", that was a bit of flame baiting on my part. What I meant was the older Focii are now modder's cars, which is great. I just don't think very many people will be buying a 2012, nay, MkIII, with intentions to do much modding for several years. Its currently more of a car you buy to leave alone. The older Focii are great cars, but as of this point and time, they're appealing to a different kind of buyer.

And your point about the MkII being compatible with 2012 wheels illustrates my point perfectly. Obviously, this isn't a USA specific message board, but the vast amount of users do seem to be North American. Therefore, nearly all info on these forums would be regarding the MkI, which is useless for 2012 owners. And that's for something as simple as wheels. If there was much info that was applicable for both the MkI and MkIII the engine division approach would make sense. But I'd be willing to bet that outside of oil and oil filters and general Ford experience, pretty much nothing is interchangeable.

Also, the nomenclature is going to get completely out of hand. A separate MKIII area should be made so that when the 2013+ models come out, which will be largely identical, noone will know who will be talking about what. If I want to find info about the 2012, I have to add 2012 to a search string. That method will be obselete in one year. And with the way things are organized now, the new ST will be separate from the non-ST MKIII. Yet I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the parts on the non-ST MKIII will be interchangeable with the ST, perhaps even the engine itself, and I seriously doubt that will be true with the other Ecoboost models.

A division of generations wasn't necessary before because all of the US Focii were relatively similar, but Ford has forced a division on us that this message board should adapt to. I'm not telling anyone how to do their job, but it is my sincere opinion that dividing the technical forums into MKI, II, III generations will prevent a ton of pain in the long run. People on both sides of the fence are already asking for it, and this is just the calm before the storm. In a year, when there are a significant number of MkIII owners here, the crowds will be clamoring for it. It would be easier to do the division now while the number of 2012 threads are coming in at a trickle, before it turns into a flood.

I'm just giving my opinion. I'm not trying to create a flame war or upset things here. The Focus is and always has been a great car.

I think the logic here is that they separate by engines which is perfectly fine, but I think that a few things might come of this (good or bad you decide).

-Less traffic for the new Focus as people will find it hard to sort through and look for information. Yes we can Search, but that is not always the most accurate or best approach.

-More confusion in regards to posting as people may continue to post int he General section instead of say an appearance section to get answers.

I would offer keeping the current setup for all previous models as is but setup a 2012 section with sub-sections for appearance, interior, engine, etc. would be extremely helpful and allow the new car to have a dedicated section instead of going through older categories trying to sift through for current engine postings. I personally had no idea they still were using what's called Duratec in the Focus and just though of it as a 2.0DI (direct injection). While the same base, there are most likely many different components that may not be compatable to the previous one (alternators, belts, pulleys, intake setups, etc. My Matrix has the 1ZZ engine and the XRS came with a 2ZZ. Both are a 1.8L engine base but there are loads of different components on them, hence they received their own sections in forums.

I'm not telling the vets how to make their forum look by hijacking it, just offering outside opinion as when I started looking for Focus information (ST mainly), this was the first site to come up and I'd hate to see it be taken over by another because they stuck to an old format that may not work as well with this new model.

Wasn't trying to start a war here just thought that the 65 posts of "what color is your 2012 going to be" would be better served in its own area. But I do agree it still is a focus so I can sift through for any and all info I need and want. Cmon it was my first day and first post. Can I get a mulligan?

The Fiesta is the true sucessor to the old Focus (2000-2007). The Fiesta merged with the Mk1 Focus, and took on the Fiesta badge completely. This happened in Europe first, and America simply caught up to all these changes.

However I'm going to have to side with NOT having a separate section. Because with that logic there should've been a new section back when the 2008 Focus was introduced. Obviously that didn't happen either. So for the sake of consistency I think things would be best left alone.

If you guys pay a visit to other car community forums, you'll realize why some site admins are reluctant to add lots of specific topic subsections. It breaks the community apart and makes navigation hellish.

This is exactly what happened to the VW forum I used to regularly visit. The place died down very quickly once every single model/year was categorized into separate subforums. I'd hate to see FF fall apart the same way.

For technical troubleshooting issues, we still have the Zetec and Duratec forums that distinguish between the different models. And there are plenty of brand loyalists here whom have owned multiple Focus models to help out, even in the General Forum. So I don't think some of those concerns are relevant.

Wasn't trying to start a war here just thought that the 65 posts of "what color is your 2012 going to be" would be better served in its own area. But I do agree it still is a focus so I can sift through for any and all info I need and want. Cmon it was my first day and first post. Can I get a mulligan?
I wouldn't say you started a war. I'm only just starting out here as well and made a comment about a 2012 section in my first post as I am deciding between the WRX and ST.

Thankfully I'm pretty knowledgeable in forums and how they operate (searching, posting, rules, etc.) so it's not soo tought for me, but I look at it from a new person with little to no experience.

As for color, I'd like white or the orange from the debut photo.

We are doing our best to keep all of the like threads together (like the color choice threads) but for right now we are going to be keeping things the way they are. If we create new 2012 sections now they will be pretty desolate. It appears the kind of information the 2012ers are looking for hasn't been discussed yet. Your arguments are valid but as some of the first FFers with the 2012 alot of the new content you are looking for will be created by you, it won't be cut and dry and already on the forum as you are expecting. This can be revisited at a later time if we see a burst in 2012 information, questions and howto's

Eh, why am I complaining, I've got months to sit and mull about the ST.

You want to take a look at a board that's been split up into a billion different sections check out mazdaspeedforums.org. Just visiting that site you will realize why FF needs to stay the way it is.

Oddly enough. I started out being for the new sub-forum, but now am for a simplistic layout. I come from a tuner's forum where all makes and models come together to talk cars. No divisions there, yet we all manage to get our questions answered. I know NOTHING about Fords and their engines. My Ford experience goes back to the late 80s Fords that coined fixed or repaired daily. And the ones I owned were exactly that! HOWEVER I'm giving Ford a try with the new team and look forward to learning about the Duratec engine in my new 2012. If in fact the Ti-VCT is a "Duratec"?

My new vote: Keep the group together. One for all, and all for..... wait that's already been used before. :)

that would be cool...

We are doing our best to keep all of the like threads together (like the color choice threads) but for right now we are going to be keeping things the way they are. If we create new 2012 sections now they will be pretty desolate. It appears the kind of information the 2012ers are looking for hasn't been discussed yet. Your arguments are valid but as some of the first FFers with the 2012 alot of the new content you are looking for will be created by you, it won't be cut and dry and already on the forum as you are expecting. This can be revisited at a later time if we see a burst in 2012 information, questions and howto's

Sounds like a solid approach. It just seems it might be better to do the split now, before there's a ton of threads to have to split up. On the Fit forums I was active in, they created a forum for 2009+ (GE) discussion. It was barren and mostly filled with "What color will u get?" threads at first, but eventually filled up with relevant info. As the need arose, subforums for specific info were added, these could be the engine types (Duratec, Ecoboost, electric). It worked well. The Civic approach of having separate message boards per generation is a little extreme, however.

One other thing to solidify is the nomenclature. 2012 is a misnomer, since that will be irrelevant in a year. Does Ford have a system of codes for their cars? It might be a Japanese manufacturer thing, but it does make things simpler. In just a couple letters and/or numbers, you know exactly the chassis and engine of the car being referred to.

We are getting off topic.

FF is **not** divided up according to year. It is divided up according to engine. As has been covered earlier in this thread, the 2012 engine is **not** new. IIRC it's a Duratech so it stands to reason your place is in Duratech chat.

If the admin splits it up I could see it opening a whole new can of worms. Then every year will want their own subforum. Do we really want to deal with that?

Jus' sayin'

One other thing to solidify is the nomenclature. 2012 is a misnomer, since that will be irrelevant in a year. Does Ford have a system of codes for their cars? It might be a Japanese manufacturer thing, but it does make things simpler. In just a couple letters and/or numbers, you know exactly the chassis and engine of the car being referred to.

Yes the 1998-2011 Focus was built on the C170 platform whereas the 2012+ is built on the C1 platform.

Regardless its not going to happen at this juncture.