: Oil-less Turbo
Wagamos 11-30-2010, 04:39 PM Comp Turbo has oil-less turbos now apparantly. It uses a high temp grease and some super bearings i guess to achieve it. Kinda nifty. Thoughts?
http://www.compturbo.com/spotlights/oilless_release.php
PSUrivie 11-30-2010, 05:28 PM Looks pretty sweet...seems you would just have to keep up on greasing the bearings. I wonder what the interval is. (Mileage between greasing)
horsePOOGAS 11-30-2010, 07:20 PM I want to see proof/testing... Sounds good on paper/online but almost to good to be true. I can see it working, but for how long? Why comp? Just seems like a bigger "name" would have came out with something like this first... idk. Then again Comp just may be on top of leading edge tech? lol
sounds good on paper/www...but almost to good to be true.
If it does work out, this will give alot more ppl chances to go turbo ..cheaper
I think I have around 150 in coolant and oil lines for the turbo alone.
bmylez 11-30-2010, 07:31 PM Sounds like it could work, but I highly doubt for a competitive application. When you're railin' on a turbo, pushing 25psi, just ripping on the car, that is a TON of heat. There's no way that a closed system can cool that quickly. They would probably have you run water lines, but it wouldn't be as effective as oil *and* water. And let's say you did beat on the turbo a lot, you'd probably have to change the grease several times a year.
1turbofocus 11-30-2010, 09:37 PM Because Comp Turbos is on the cutting edge and not scaired to think outside the box and why I feel the best Turbo Co. on the market
Dry turbos isnt new , actually very old , Comp has taken the idea 2 steps further and cured a lot of the issues and it seems to be working
More to come ?
Tom
starfuryt550 11-30-2010, 10:32 PM interesting
blackoutSVT 12-01-2010, 10:31 AM dude thats sweet. i would be willing to try it out.
viney266 12-01-2010, 02:46 PM It really doesn't shed metal, so if the "grease" can handle the heat it could survive.
As Tom said, this has been done, but it will be cool to see how well this holds up...If the "lube" is good enough I don't see why not...Hmmm, a LOT of heat there....
drostedrummer89 12-01-2010, 03:29 PM WE WANT ONE MILLION DOLLARS FOR ONE.
lol sounds like a cool concept, no more burning oil out of the seals, tapping oil pan for lines. they probably do want a ton of money for one tho
matt
1turbofocus 12-01-2010, 06:25 PM It really doesn't shed metal, so if the "grease" can handle the heat it could survive.
As Tom said, this has been done, but it will be cool to see how well this holds up...If the "lube" is good enough I don't see why not...Hmmm, a LOT of heat there....
Yes there is a LOT of heat there , the turbos for the Focus will be Ball Bearing , no oil and about 1395.00 so not bad for the latest and greatest turbo on the market
The oil to a turbo does 2 things it lubes and takes away heat from the turbo , with no oil now to do this you have to use water so these are wet turbos
Tom
horsePOOGAS 12-01-2010, 07:34 PM So thats the catch. Make it oil-less but it HAS to have water. lol always a catch.
1turbofocus 12-01-2010, 07:42 PM Not realy a "catch" the oilless turbo doesnt need a drain line , oil pan drilled and welded , fittings , locate a psi source for oil feed line , oil feed line and fittings
Its faster spooling then any STD bearing turbo , its BB
Yes you have to hook water lines , make cut hoses , get fittings
Seems like a great trade off to me
I think these are the perfect answer for low hanging turbos , hard to place turbos
Tom
Roushturboedzx3 12-01-2010, 08:29 PM Ill stick with my oil and my garrett
1turbofocus 12-01-2010, 10:18 PM As guys like you should
Tom
Wagamos 12-01-2010, 11:17 PM I think its an interesting idea. To me I would want to place the turbo in an easily accessible spot b/c of the maintenance.
Paladin 12-02-2010, 05:16 AM looks neat. i'll wait for updates.
Blackcatn2o 12-02-2010, 09:13 AM The oil to a turbo does 2 things it lubes and takes away heat from the turbo , with no oil now to do this you have to use water so these are wet turbos
Tom
so your saying you'll get a wet blow job for your car?
dirtbkr100 12-02-2010, 09:15 PM hmm, I don't really see the point of sacrificing the water/oil cooling just so the turbo is easy to install...the kit I got came with 2 T-fittings to tap into the water lines, and 2 oil lines to connect to the oil drain plug and oil filter sandwich plate. It took 15 min to get the lines on, I just can't really see giving that up so that it only takes 3 min to bolt on the turbo? Honestly, everything was pretty easy, and I didn't have to tap the oil pan or anything.
Wagamos 12-02-2010, 09:42 PM I dunno, after all the oil problems I had with my turbo setup, this definitely appeals to me.
Jgrove998 12-02-2010, 09:46 PM Pretty sweet idea. Can't wait to see some testing and real world results. I doubt if I will ever be able to afford it!
Roushturboedzx3 12-02-2010, 11:29 PM I dunno, after all the oil problems I had with my turbo setup, this definitely appeals to me.
Manufacture error lol
Paladin 12-03-2010, 02:43 AM so your saying you'll get a wet blow job for your car?
yes. lmfao[grinking]
bmylez 12-03-2010, 07:00 AM Manufacture error lol
Yeah, he had probs with a Comp, right?
Wagamos 12-03-2010, 07:26 AM Yeah sent it back and had a hole in seal, they fixed it under warranty. Still leaks in the housings and in the piping but it doesnt smoke at all. Just pisses me off still.
Roushturboedzx3 12-03-2010, 08:07 AM Yeah, he had probs with a Comp, right?
Yeah sent it back and had a hole in seal, they fixed it under warranty. Still leaks in the housings and in the piping but it doesnt smoke at all. Just pisses me off still.
Would piss me off too, next time pick a reputable company [paranoid][cheers]
1turbofocus 12-03-2010, 08:54 AM Comp is a reputable Company , dont balme you issues on Comp as I have proven to you before your issues were not Comp related
Wagamos if your having issues please contact me and I will help get this fixed
Tom
forcedfocus 12-03-2010, 08:58 AM Has anyone had a comp turbo that they didn't have to have rebuilt? It just seems like everyone is having to send theirs in to be rebuilt much more often then I would expect.
1turbofocus 12-03-2010, 09:27 AM I have sold or used over 100 of comps turbos and only had seal issues with 9, 1 of those was because of 3/8 oil return line , 4 were because of no oil restrictor installed , 1 was hole in pan was about 1/4 inch
Most all the comp oil seal issues were from improper oil feed or drain
Tom
horsePOOGAS 12-03-2010, 10:19 AM I wasn't awar I had to have a restrictor...and if i remember correctly at the time you didn't either Tom. It was my fault but it was due to the lack of information.
I'm not using the turbo currently so I don't know how it will hold up but I'll know in the spring time. There are people on here who use comp and havn't had any prorblems out of them...I hope I have the same luck because I don't really want to dish out more money for a different turbo/down pipe setup.
Wagamos 12-03-2010, 10:25 AM Ive had 5/8 return on mine since the rebuild(turbo). And Ive driven a year on it so im out of warranty. I was sick of dealing with the issue and since I didnt smoke i just drove it. I cant afford to have it down to have them do more work to it. Thats my only issue with the turbo. It spools great and makes good power for my goals. Just the oil issue really is frustrating.
Horse, we arent supposed to have to. When I contacted justin he said we didnt but it wouldnt hurt. Thats when I put mine on.
1turbofocus 12-03-2010, 10:28 AM Wagamos , Let me know when your ready and I will do my best to still get it repaired for free
Yes there was a time that Comp felt restrictors were needed and they then started adding them and a lot of the issues went away
Tom
Wagamos 12-03-2010, 11:54 AM Will do tom. Thanks.
horsePOOGAS 12-03-2010, 06:00 PM Back to topic: IF I were to see good reviews on something like this from comp... It would be something I'd look into/consider. I don't think my power goals (which aren't high) would create enough heat to be worried.
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