Just as the title states, How much whp has been made using a SPA manifold. Could we see 500?

Fernando made 455 with spray.

that's too bad he had to spray to get that. anyone else get anywhere near that without nitrous?

I can't say I've seen people go over that with that manifold but there have been a few that have been over that HP goal (not sure with or without nitrous) on a different manifold.

You can make 500 with the SPA

Tom

Fernando made 455 with spray.

That's why you are positive I'll make 400, also why you change yours.

No one has proven to make over 455 without spray, not saying it cant be done. but also there is the issue with clearance that a bigger turbo cant fit. if your turbo has a 3in outlet then you wanna run a 3in downpipe, but the only way to run a 3in downpipe is to lose A/C and i deff and not losing that. plus your limited on the turbo size because of the block and crank sensor.

Fernando made 455 with spray.

Sorry Jim the 45... was on 29psi NO spray on the SPA manifold.

Ya I thought there was one that you didn't spray but couldn't find it.

So I still have hope, lol, Fernando call you tomorrow, need a couple of things.

So I still have hope, lol, Fernando call you tomorrow, need a couple of things.

LOL i wasnt worried about the manifold, its more or less the turbo

what turbo was that with Fernando?

Tom can you recommend a turbo that would fit and get 500whp?

I'll beat Fernando to it. He used the gt3082. According to him, that was at a very rich AFR and conservative timing. You can tell it wasn't a complete tune because it had slower spool than normal, but crazy top end.

I'll beat Fernando to it. He used the gt3082. According to him, that was at a very rich AFR and conservative timing. You can tell it wasn't a complete tune because it had slower spool than normal, but crazy top end.

No, Fernando didnt use the 3082 on the SPA manifold. He used a Spa 5000 ( i think that the number) turbo. so it was a SPA turbo on a SPA manifold

Ohhhh...duh...I'm thinking of his top mount setup. Sorry.

How are the SPA turbos?

I have an spa turbo, 3000 km on it now. No troubles so far. Full boost about 4k on an spa 4000 and pulls hard to 7000

I've heard the SPA turbos are decent but DO NOT run an SPA wastegate. I've heard of at least 3 failures right out of the box.

i've been running my spa wastegate for 12000 miles and it works as its supposed too.

Alright, but there are over 5 members on here who will tell you not to run them. Can never go wrong with Tial.

Does anyone else have any experience with SPA turbos?

think thats about it lol

Does anyone know if a 3076 will fit without hitting the block?

I think you need to make sure you have the right exhaust housing to have it fit. If you could get the dimensions of an SPA exhaust housing and find a comparable Garrett housing, it should fit. I had to trim some material off of my windage tray with my Top Speed manifold and gt2871, so you may have to trim something.

Maybe tom will chime in with a comp turbo that will fit and do 500whp.

Yea my spa WG was blown outta the box, but what has sparked your interest in 500whp. Is this a new build we could be seeing.

Just want more power that's all.

Idk if a Garrett 3076 would fit, but ik it has a 3in exhaust outet so you would have to lose A/C

I have never seen a dyno chart of someone with 500whp on an SPA manifold. Maybe it can be done, maybe it can't. But I guarantee you are leaving power on the table that simply going to a nicer manifold would free up, not to mention that will allow for a better turbo selection and fitment.

On another note, we are currently offering a trade in deal for all you SPA manifold owners (http://topspeedperformance.net/spa-turbo-manifold-zetec-ford-focus/). If you trade in a good condition SPA manifold towards the purchase one of our turbo manifolds (http://topspeedperformance.net/store/#ecwid:category=341769&mode=category&offset=0&sort=normal) we will give you a $200 credit.* (*deal is subject to change)

I have never seen a dyno chart of someone with 500whp on an SPA manifold. Maybe it can be done, maybe it can't. But I guarantee you are leaving power on the table that simply going to a nicer manifold would free up, not to mention that will allow for a better turbo selection and fitment.

On another note, we are currently offering a trade in deal for all you SPA manifold owners (http://topspeedperformance.net/spa-turbo-manifold-zetec-ford-focus/). If you trade in a good condition SPA manifold towards the purchase one of our turbo manifolds (http://topspeedperformance.net/store/#ecwid:category=341769&mode=category&offset=0&sort=normal) we will give you a $200 credit.* (*deal is subject to change)

^^^^ Now that is badass, and your street manifold are nice :)

What do you do with the SPA manis? Melt them down and sell the raw metal? [giddy]

I'm sure you can do 500whp on the SPA manifold...... is the better ways to do it.... yep, but it is possible.

does a tubular manifold make a turbo spool quicker?

I'm sure you can do 500whp on the SPA manifold...... is the better ways to do it.... yep, but it is possible.

Yeah, with 40psi. Dude...you sold the damn Pumpkin??? If you had damn A/C on that b*tch, I would have been half interested. Fast as hell.

anyone know anything about these?

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/turbochargers/hurricane-turbochargers

anyone know anything about these?

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/turbochargers/hurricane-turbochargers

I would personally just stick with garrett, ive had turbonetics and compturbo in the past.

I have never seen a dyno chart of someone with 500whp on an SPA manifold. Maybe it can be done, maybe it can't. But I guarantee you are leaving power on the table that simply going to a nicer manifold would free up, not to mention that will allow for a better turbo selection and fitment.

On another note, we are currently offering a trade in deal for all you SPA manifold owners (http://topspeedperformance.net/spa-turbo-manifold-zetec-ford-focus/). If you trade in a good condition SPA manifold towards the purchase one of our turbo manifolds (http://topspeedperformance.net/store/#ecwid:category=341769&mode=category&offset=0&sort=normal) we will give you a $200 credit.* (*deal is subject to change)


You cannot go wrong with the SPA manifold and anyone that sais you can just hasent done any testing with the SPA manifold and should give it a try. The SPA offers a lot of things over the ts and more power isnt everything you should be looking at IF in fact the ts makes more power

Tom

I would personally just stick with garrett, ive had turbonetics and compturbo in the past.

I like the Comp and stand behind them 100% , You didnt have a finished tune , cam gears adj properly , bad COP when you tryed the Comp so you really didnt have a chance to give the Comp a fair try wouldnt you agree?

Tom

Jared gave Comp a chance, though. Then he went with a Garrett and blew the tires off the car.

I like the Comp and stand behind them 100% , You didnt have a finished tune , cam gears adj properly , bad COP when you tried the Comp so you really didnt have a chance to give the Comp a fair try wouldnt you agree?

Tom

The only thing that was wrong was the COP, cam gears were fine, but it was not making the power. But was not really worried about the power at the time, it took forever to get the turbo and then after 2weeks the seals were blown. just to much of a hassle for me.

You cannot go wrong with the SPA manifold and anyone that sais you can just hasent done any testing with the SPA manifold and should give it a try. The SPA offers a lot of things over the ts and more power isnt everything you should be looking at IF in fact the ts makes more power

Tom

I think we all know it makes more power. They may want one so they can prove it, thats my guess anyway.

The only thing that was wrong was the COP, cam gears were fine, but it was not making the power. But was not really worried about the power at the time, it took forever to get the turbo and then after 2weeks the seals were blown. just to much of a hassle for me.



What comp turbo did you try? Is that the turbo that made the power in your sig? What boost psi?

it was a big one the 67mm I think which is 6mm bigger than the gt35 he has and it made the same if not less power than the gt35 but he said it spooled much slower.

What comp turbo did you try? Is that the turbo that made the power in your sig? What boost psi?

I tried two compturboes one 63mm which at 23psi made 283whp ( what a freakin turd) then I tried a 67mm compturbo and it made 319 sae and 330std at 23 to 24psi which was horrible spooked at 5100 rpm also a turd. Went to a gt35r and 20psi made 385whp and full spool on the dyno at 4400 am full spool on the streets at 4100. And is much more responsive. I love it.

it was a big one the 67mm I think which is 6mm bigger than the gt35 he has and it made the same if not less power than the gt35 but he said it spooled much slower.

Alot less power

What bearing option did you have in the comp turbo's? And was that with the SPA manifold?

The 20psi on the gt35 that seems low compared to what jared was getting, no?

And what manifold did you use the with the gt35?

What bearing option did you have in the comp turbo's? And was that with the SPA manifold?

The 20psi on the gt35 that seems low compared to what jared was getting, no?

And what manifold did you use the with the gt35?

I had the triple ball bearing in both turboes with antisurge housing and vband.

And I am on stock head, stock cams, stock intake manifold. I ran out of fuel psi so we could make more power. Plus I was on stock main bolts and didn't wanna risk it. Lol and for kicks this was on a 101 degree day with 30percent humidity :)

Topmount manifold
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj71/turbofocus1/0ecab997.jpg

Again you had issues with your car , How can you say it was all the turbos fault , I have a smaller turbo making 320HP at 17psi and another car with the bigger turbo you had on the worst turbo manifold made making 415HP

you had engine issues , bad COP , cam gear adj , and you were not fully tuned yet please stop blaming it on the Comp turbos , another issue with comp was you ordered through me then went straight to comp and ordered your self which ment you got a delay and you ordered the wrong turbo , then when that got worked out and you got the right turbo you had engine issue so you never had everything where you could ascually see what a Comp turbo could do , I dont know why this is so hard to just say that you didnt give the Comps a fair chance

Fast spooling isnt always the fastest way down the track

Tom

Again you had issues with your car , How can you say it was all the turbos fault , I have a smaller turbo making 320HP at 17psi and another car with the bigger turbo you had on the worst turbo manifold made making 415HP

you had engine issues , bad COP , cam gear adj , and you were not fully tuned yet please stop blaming it on the Comp turbos , another issue with comp was you ordered through me then went straight to comp and ordered your self which ment you got a delay and you ordered the wrong turbo , then when that got worked out and you got the right turbo you had engine issue so you never had everything where you could ascually see what a Comp turbo could do , I dont know why this is so hard to just say that you didnt give the Comps a fair chance

Fast spooling isnt always the fastest way down the track

Tom

I didnt have any engine issue, when i took my car to Fernando it was the exact same setup except for the turbo. He tuned my car to the power it makes now with the COP on the car so dont say i had issues, cause they worked to make this much power, there just not optimal. Fernando and i messed with the cam gears a little to how he liked it. I did the same with you when i was on the dyno, and when WE were happy we finished tuning and only made 280's lol. My tune was done the AFR were 10.6 the whole way the timing was set, you said all of this in the AIM convo. Maybe you say the tune wasnt finished because the drivability was not good, IDK. I still have the datalogs of my runs where you can see the timing AFR and all the others.

The issues with Comp slow service was Compturbo themself, Justin specifically said i am in contact with Tom and that once you two decide on the design i will have it well it took 2 months and then it doesnt work so i wait another month to find out this one is just as much of a turd. I got a FULL return from Compturbo and glad i did.

LOL fast spooling isnt always the fasted but a 1600 power band is as shitty as it gets lol no 280wp focus will do what my 385 will.

the 6062 says it will do 600hp.

the 6062 says it will do 600hp.

And i had a 67mm which is bigger. From my personal experience and others have had the same issue with compturbo. I would only use Garrett for now on

but you said it was spooling really slow, right? and could that mean it's too big? and the 67 says it will do 850hp, I know it's says it's for 1.8 to 2.8's but seems like it would be just too big.

but you said it was spooling really slow, right? and could that mean it's too big? and the 67 says it will do 850hp, I know it's says it's for 1.8 to 2.8's but seems like it would be just too big.

Thats what Tom and Compturbo spec out for me. and it wasnt too big because it would reach full spool. Just stick with Garrett

Just stick with Garrett

I second that.

The turbonetics i have is small but my powerband is from 3400-5800 which is pretty decent, i def don't want to lose too much spool, none if i don't have too, that's why i was thinking looking into the hurricane turbo, because my only experience with turbo is what i have now and it's been good.

most people are saying go with a garrett and ditch the manifold.

Do you have any reasoning for me to ditch the manifold? to help me make a decision.

The turbonetics i have is small but my powerband is from 3400-5800 which is pretty decent, i def don't want to lose too much spool, none if i don't have too, that's why i was thinking looking into the hurricane turbo, because my only experience with turbo is what i have now and it's been good.

most people are saying go with a garrett and ditch the manifold.

Do you have any reasoning for me to ditch the manifold? to help me make a decision.

I am just a enthusiast so i dont have access to do back to back runs of different setups i only have personal experience.

Let me put it too you this way i have owned 4 different turbo setups and 7 different turboes. 1st setup was a roushturbo kit (hits my name on here) which is a turbonetics kit. the turbo itself blew up literally snapped the shaft for no reason. turbonetis warrantied it, then i sold the kit, Made a tubular bottom mount manifold with a turbonetics GT-K450 turbo and Tom said the turbo wasnt good. made 280whp on 18psi. then i got a SPA manifold and a Compturbo was good never dynoed but felt quick. Problem with it was no clearance to do a bigger turbo and downpipe without loosing A/C ( screw that lol) and of coarse my current Topmount setup with a gt3582r which is the shiz lol

I hav owned a SPA manifold and compturbo it was alright (just alright) I love everything about my topmount how easy everything is to get to the clearance i have from everything ETC.

Chris (Earls32) use to have a SPA manifold with a Compturbo and again it was just alright. he wanted a bigger turbo but no way in hell was getting a compturbo seeing what i went through. so he sold the SPA manifold and the whole Tom turbo setup and got a TopSpeed kit (which is in my personal opinion the best kit out right now as far as clearances fitment ease of install) Got a gt3076r Turbo made some sick numbers on pump gas 389whp 342tq and loves this setup more.

^ fyi i love your new setup :). and love your work

^ fyi i love your new setup :). and love your work

Thanks[woot]

^^with your fab skills, how come you installed a SPA mani? Or any other brand for that purpose?

^^with your fab skills, how come you installed a SPA mani? Or any other brand for that purpose?
Too busy makin manifolds for the millions of Civics, S2000s, BMWs, Mustangs, etc

^^with your fab skills, how come you installed a SPA mani? Or any other brand for that purpose?

Was talked into it after Tom said my tubular bottom mount was one of the reasons why i was making low power at the time, which i sold that manifold and it ended up making 388whp lol. but i got convinced to do a SPA. then i realized it really only fits one sized turbo, and that size does not make the power i want

Too busy makin manifolds for the millions of Civics, S2000s, BMWs, Mustangs, etc

LOL no this was back when i was welding low key and didnt have alot of business

The SPA manifold DOES NOT only take one size turbo , it can take many sizes

Tom

The SPA manifold DOES NOT only take one size turbo , it can take many sizes

Tom

I wasnt implying that it actually only takes one size turbo because it will take other SPA turboes too. was saying you can throw on a turbo with a 3in exhaust outlet without losing A/C.

Honestly, I HATE the location of my spa turbo on the spa manifold. And a turbo manifold change will be done when i get out of school and go back to work

I would go to a Top Speed manifold if the WG flang was in a better place... I recently had to do some checking with my WG spring and that would of been a PITA with the top speed.

I would go to a Top Speed manifold if the WG flang was in a better place... I recently had to do some checking with my WG spring and that would of been a PITA with the top speed.

Actually it's really not hard at all you can take the wastegate with everything on. But if you have a good name wastegate you shouldnt have a issues. the spa is easier but only allows for the old 2 bolt style wastegate

^^^ not unless you have a handy dandy adapter plate :-) I'm running an evo WG.

Jim, the SPA manifold has a 3-bolt style flange...but I'm guessing you knew that since you had one...

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I would go to a Top Speed manifold if the WG flang was in a better place... I recently had to do some checking with my WG spring and that would of been a PITA with the top speed.

the WG is placed on their manifold for optimum performance not for ease of changing out the spring. On the one I saw you could take the wg off from the top with all the kit in place. Get a Tial WG and you will never have to take it off![hihi]

jim's kit is my favorite i have seen for the focus. the topspeed kit has changed a lot since they first put it out and it appears to have improved a lot. if i were turboing a zetec and couldnt make my own kit.. and jim wouldnt make me one... then i would have to say i would get the topspeed with the street mani cause you can use stock fans and you can put a huge turbo on it. their IC piping looks 10x's better than when they first put their kit out. i like the kit and their good ol garrett turbo is making great power.... i like precision [neener]

Yup! Top Speed's kit did 530whp with the street manifold and stock fans. The fans had to be trimmed a lot, though... Once you get that big of a turbo, you have to drop the radiator with the fans and then install them as a unit. I also personally didn't see any way of getting the wastegate off without dropping the whole turbo, but that's mainly because I had it recirculated.

Pretty much our street manifold with the 3076 has been proven to make over 500whp, allow you to retain A/C, powersteering, and stock radiator fans. Getting to the wastegate is really not that difficult. (BMyles diffidently was, however yours was recirculated and an older manifold) The new manifolds have more clearance. But if you buy a quality wastegate I really don't know why you would be taking it off very much.

I would go to a Top Speed manifold if the WG flang was in a better place... I recently had to do some checking with my WG spring and that would of been a PITA with the top speed.

don't let that stop you. I can make you a custom manifold and put the wastegate in a different spot.

I had the take my WG apart to track down why I wasn't reaching my target boost. Which turned out to be my EBC. I shimmed my WG to to reach 15 so I could rule out everything else.

It was very easy for me to work on my WG where it's located. Now with that said I've never messed with a top speed mani. I based my opinion on pictures... I feel like it would of been ALOT harder to place my shims in my WG if I had a top speed. Doesn't mean I couldn't have done it... just MIGHT have been harder ;)


In the future I just may switch over. This is the first thread where I've seen a lot more opinions (good ones) on the top speed.

Yup! Top Speed's kit did 530whp with the street manifold and stock fans. The fans had to be trimmed a lot, though... Once you get that big of a turbo, you have to drop the radiator with the fans and then install them as a unit. I also personally didn't see any way of getting the wastegate off without dropping the whole turbo, but that's mainly because I had it recirculated.

Ya that kit has changed, when i installed chris kit we didnt have to touch the radiator or anything else it just a drop in thing and he has the 3076r

Ya that kit has changed, when i installed chris kit we didnt have to touch the radiator or anything else it just a drop in thing and he has the 3076r

And that's with a bigger housing

hmmmmm.

Yea I will have pics the 2nd week of Oct. We did not have to trim any thing pretty much just drops in.....

Chris

Double post ^

Well, even if I had a kit that fit better...doesn't change the fact that the Focus isn't running right, *sigh*...