Can anyone tell me why turbo or s/c a car is any more reliable than nitrous? Both force air into the cylinders so what's the diff?

your kidding right?

look nitrous up on google.. that will tell you all about it...

not kidding plz tell me here

nitrous is an added ingredient to your air/fuel system that burns richer to give your engine a big boost..

turbo forces air, super charger runs with your belts..

what exactly are you asking?


do a search on google to answer all your qeustions about nitrous

here, this may help...

http://web.ask.com/web?q=what+do+i+do+if+i+am+a+moron%3F&o=0&qsrc=0&askbutton.x=17&askbutton.y=10

Nitro isn't dangerous as long as you don't spray more than the engine will handle. When you burn nitrous it breaks down and releases oxygen thus creating a more complete burn. If you put somthing like a 100 shot on a stock Focus engine you are asking for trouble because you are going to make a whole lot more power than the engine was designed to handle. If you want Nitro go with a 50 shot because even a 75 shot is flirting with death.

I mean why do people say it's safer to s/c or turbo your engine as opposed spraying it, I mean both deliver more oxygen to the cylinders.

When you sc or turbo you are mechanically compressing more atmospheric air into the cylinders. When you use the nitrous you are bringing in raw oxygen via the chemical breakdown under heat.
Most people that go the expense of forced induction are also willing to spend the extra bucks for the proper timing controls and fuel management. Two of the biggest non-mechanical problem areas. Also those that are willing to incur the expense of forced induction are USUALLY smart enough to realize the mechanical limits of their engine. The reliability is as much technical as user knowledge/financial commitment.

Those individuals who choose to run nitrous are usually not quite as scrupulous. Fuel management and timing control are still concerns but you also have to allow for proper bottle pressure. Many people just view nitrous as a cheap way to make hp. When is the last time you saw a bottle warmer? When you run nitrous you really need to keep tabs on what is going on because you are dealing with chemical processes and not mechanical units. Variations in the bottle pressure or an inadequate fuel supply is often what grenades an engine. In short, many nitrous users are too cheap to do it right.

I would like to be more in depth w/the nitrous, but my wrists are killing me (carpal tunnel?)

it really isn't safer to run a s/c or turbo...its just when you run them you usually run a new fuel system, and with the fuel system theres tuning with changes in timing and such, say you take a 75 shot wet on a focus with stock injectors and the same timing, your telling me those injectors and maxing out the duty cycle?...with enough its really gonna lean out and blow, also gotta love those nitrous backfires....it all depends on the system and what you run from the system, i say a 30-50 is fine on a focus, as long as its wet....but with a built motor and the chip/colder plugs and all that good stuff to compensate for the serious power, i wouldn't mind throwing a 100 shot, though i don't like the idea of the 100 going through a single nozzle on the intake tube and not direct port.


ps: oldschool beat me to it [:(] damn.

ditto, kickzx3.

Another point which is pretty obvious is the fact that a turbo or SC will provide continuous power and also it will never run out.

theres no safe way to overload your engine with power without building it up the right way. hp costs money, specially in our cars if u want big #s

The last time I saw a bottle heater...uhh, in my car[:D] . Seriously, what these guys are saying is right..nitrous is fine if done correctly and smartly..Alot of people get into the well if 50 is okay and she'll take 75, then why not 100 shot...without upgrading..You get the idea, the fuel supply as well as internals limit the nitrous onstreet cars. There are some race cars running HUGE nitrous usage levels, but that is a different story.
The big point is spending the time and money to do it right. You can install nitrous for under $400 . The nitrous set up on my car is about $1,100. With the labor involved you are getting near jrsc levels.
A couple of reasons I ran nitrous.
1). I sell it at my motorcycle shop, so its good to have it in my car
2) I get my refills a little cheaper due to the fact that I sell it, though at 50 or 75 shot levels a ten pound bottle lasts a while
3) Its really fun to smoke someone light to light with a family wagon[:D] .

The price is higher due to...bottle heater ($200), bottle opener ($200), nitrous kit ($500), rpm limiter switch ( $60), ford tach driver for rpm switch ($52). The rpm limiter is to keep the car from the hideous nitrous backfire. I just list all these things to say thats why it costs more to do it right and make it work better. The bottle opener isn't a must, but with the nitrous hidden in a wagon it was.
Hopefully this rambling made some sense and answeered your question...I'm too tired to be typing[;)]

On a 50-shot set-up professionally installed etc, on a completely stock motor, is this asking for problems?

Yes it can cause plenty of problems.

k maybe Ill skip the spray, I dont really want to ruin anything

Originally posted by focaltech
Yes it can cause plenty of problems.
viney266, isn't your car stock or do you have a few mods ?

I thought viney266 had a 50 shot on his Focus Wagon? I could be thinking about someone else though. [;)]

Maybe I should clarify the question...
I was asking viney266 if he was running the 50 shot with a stock Focus or if he had some mods done to withstand the 50 shot.

So it is Viney266 that has a 50 shot on his Wagon. Cool, sorry microtonal.

Hi guys!, been away for a few days. Yes I have the 50, also I do have a few mods ( cai t.b.) but nothing is different inside the motor where you would need it for heavy nitrous use, that is why I installed the extras with the nitrous to keep the motor together.
Just as focal said, any major power adder , nirous or forced induction can cause engine problems , things usually go bad when something goes wrong. Just like oldschool said ( damn thats a good name)people with nitrous usually go the cheap route. We install nitrous kits at my shop and I have only sold 2 fuel pressure safety switchs on about 9 nitrous installs. We are talking a 30-40 dollar device that will shut down your nitrous system if fuel pressure drops to low ( thus ...hopefully..saving your engine before it leans out and comes apart), but folks WILL NOT spend the extra 40 bucks . Believe me, I try to sell the extra's.
Also, the one thing you all missed turbos and blowers add heat to a motor = bad
Nitrous goes in and cools everything due to compressed gas temps = good
Now nitrous does have its drawbacks and turbos have lag and blowers have more parasitic loss, everything has draw backs.
By the way, I can afford the new vortech and really want to play with one, anyone have a spare zx5 they aren't using ???lol.

viney266, know of anyone in the Seattle, WA area you would recommended for a nitrous kit install ?
If I'm putting a nitrous kit in my car, I think I want it done right and not done by some guy who watched 2F2F and tries to put a 250 shot in my car to shot me over the bridge.

Sorry no help that far away, just look for a good speed shop and ask them if the do much nitrous stuff, what you need is as funny as it sounds , a guy who will charge you a little more maybe and will take his time. I'll check with a friend and see if he knows any good shops out that way!