What's the concoction for that kind of power NA. I'm new to the SVTF. This is my daily and I want it to last..

I also wanted a little shot of n2o, maybe a 75 shot.. These motors/transmissions can hold up with 200 fwhp and a 75 shot right?

Also, I know that a LSD is a must BUT what kind of LSD?

Thanks gents,
-A

first off welcome.. second your going to have trouble getting 200whp N/A. these motors are hard to get hp out of. yes they can handle 200whp with a 75 shot of nitrous easy. just get a tune!!!!! and you don't have to get a LSD but it will help with traction and what not. and a LSD is a limited slip diff.

Nitros is only fun for a few seconds. Get a Jackson Racing Supercharge kit and make 200+ WHP all the time. Thats really the only good way of doing it. The motor is already built very well. Not much else you can do that would be worth anything.

Thanks and thanks for the welcome.

What about cams, cam gears, orp and tune. Will I be atleast 180fwhp?

Nitros is only fun for a few seconds. Get a Jackson Racing Supercharge kit and make 200+ WHP all the time. Thats really the only good way of doing it. The motor is already built very well. Not much else you can do that would be worth anything.

I enjoy n2o more then FI. When tuned right it's(imo)safer on the motor.. Cheaper too and I'll only use it when I need too.. I've had many FI and n2o cars and I like the n2o a little better. Plus n2o makes huge amounts of tq and from what I've read that's what the SVT motor needs.

Thanks and thanks for the welcome.

What about cams, cam gears, orp and tune. Will I be atleast 180fwhp?

You already have the best cams there are. If compared to the regular focus they are Stage 3-4. (very aggressive) You can get custom ones made but you wont see anything worth the money you will spend. Cam gears are also not worth the money. ORP and Tune will help though. ORP will give you a better power range and the Tune will improve drivability but not give you much in the way of power. But I do recommend these too. After the ORP and Tune you will be around 155 whp.

Got luck moding though. :)

OH and welcome :)


Oh some more stuff to consider.. Your exhaust, minus the Cat, is the best you can buy. If you want more noise you could aways go aftermarket and get a nice exhaust note out. But if you do an ORP that will accomplish that quite well. Ford had Cosworth design these motors and they pulled as much power out of the motor as allowed without going the FI route. They do respond very will to FI. Not so sure about Nitros but I would imagine it would respond well to that as well.

So I'll be around 155+75=230fwhp?? Is that good enough for high 13's?

^^I would recommend looking around the FI and Nitrous thread to find out more. My 1/4 mile knowlage is limited due to the fact I autox and dont drag race.

But here is some helpful info on your car. These are more handling demons then straight line cars.
http://myfordfocus.com/svt/

So I'll be around 155+75=230fwhp?? Is that good enough for high 13's?

the SVT's are just not built for drag racing. the gearing is set up for more of a road race style. i have ever bolt on made for the SVT, TB, ORP, UDP, Exhaust, CAI and im only dynoing at 155.5whp. i use to have a 100 shot of nitrous on it but never got to use it. and i run low 15's high 14's depends on how good i got off the line. now on the road the car is a blast doing 40 to 100 pulls goes fast. i love this car but i have given up with making it fast in a line i like to turn.

What holds us back? Would you trade your SVT for a mazda speed protege? I've got a chance to..

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if your a drag racer looking to through bolt ons and make power yah trade the car...these cars are only fun if your using it the right way

What holds us back? Would you trade your SVT for a mazda speed protege? I've got a chance to..

hell no. cause i could slap a turbo on it and make well over 300whp. the motors can handle a ton of hp on the stock block. i love my SVT wouldn't give it up for any thing. now don't get me wrong i would love to have an EVO or WRX for WRC but for what i do the SVT focus is just fine.

is 200+ whp possible with higher comp or a stroker? maybe itb's?

to help dirtbrown illustrate his point better http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a332/puncture13/space_ghost_facepalm.jpg

93 octane is whats holding the SVT back from 200HP , if youe willing to run 105/110 all the time then go for it it can be done

If you want to make good power then do a Turbo , They work great from 200 to 300HP on the stock engine and make a great daily driver

Tom

ITB, pnp head, 12.5:1 compression, cams, and regular bolt-ons will get you past 200whp if you can afford the gas.

is 200+ whp possible with higher comp or a stroker? maybe itb's?

IIRC the 2.3 stroker kit Tom sells(or sold? I'm kind of out of the loop) makes around 200whp N/A didn't it? And higher comp would be pushing the boundaries of pump gas if my understanding is correct And I don't think anyone has done ITB's on an SVT, mainly due where they would be placed. It would be an extremely tight fit at the back of the engine. I seem to remember seeing a guy do ITB's on an SVT engine swapped into an escort or something in europe and it made good power N/A.

Also, for what it's worth. I have had a Jackson Racing supercharger on my car for around 4 years and 85K miles, gets me around 200-215whp and I even retained near stock gas mileage, downside is torque is still low compared to a turbo kit. If you can find a used kit for cheap it would be far less expensive and easier than doing an N/A build....granted I would rather be N/A than F/I. Or go with one of Tom's turbo kits as they show great hp and tq gains.

Would you trade your SVT for a mazda speed protege? I've got a chance to..

dont waste your time with that car, my best friend has one and its a joke, without TONS of money it wont be fast, way too many issues, like LSD's shearing off while your driving and the junk Callaway turbo manis cracking. My focus can easily pull his Protege and he cant stand it lol

I know a few people that have svts and really they are better for auto x then a drag race. If you wanna make the power i would get a supercharger and then talk to Tom

Welcome to the site

I dont know how many times ive seen people say this isnt a straight line car, but all my friends have hondas and there the only thing i hear about since high school so i know a bit about them. The only fast imports are turbo or gutted interior all motor. otherwise if there under 200 crank hp, its probably going to be an equal race stock for stock. most all those cars ive seen run a mid to low 15 just like our cars. and just like our cars with a few bolt ons and good driving you can get a high 14 so i think you can say its just as much a straight line car as most other hatches with 160-180 hp.

I dont know how many times ive seen people say this isnt a straight line car, but all my friends have hondas and there the only thing i hear about since high school so i know a bit about them. The only fast imports are turbo or gutted interior all motor. otherwise if there under 200 crank hp, its probably going to be an equal race stock for stock. most all those cars ive seen run a mid to low 15 just like our cars. and just like our cars with a few bolt ons and good driving you can get a high 14 so i think you can say its just as much a straight line car as most other hatches with 160-180 hp.

ok im not going to try to start a honda ford war here but hondas do well/better in drag racing cause they make better TQ. i have seen hondas with basic bolt on's and sticky tires run 8's in the 1/8 mile. and 13's in the 1/4. but i have also seen them get the crap kicked out of them. case and point. i raced a civic SI at our local 1/4 track and i beat him the first race by 3+ cars and we were mods for mods.. the next race he got a better light then i did and i managed to run him down.. now at another local track i ran an older civic with less mods then me but he had slicks and he ran a better 1/4 then i did.. those little Vtec motors are great for TQ with low HP.

Bahahahaha, Hondas have good torque?????

Honda S2000: 240hp/161trq (I put down 150 trq *to the wheels* which is what an S2000 makes)
Honda Civic Si: 197hp/139trq
Honda Civic EK Si: 160hp/111trq
Acura Integra GSR: 170hp/128trq

And on every single one of them, their peak torque is typically at 6200 or *higher*

Hondas do well because they have short gears (4.10s stock on a lot of them), are light, and rev to the moon. It has nothing to do with "good" torque because, actually, they are gutless down low.

Who is tom n how do i get a stroker kit from him?
crash

i think its highly possible.

and not to start honda vs ford.
but i know of honda guys running 13.x:1 compression on 93 and have no issues and run the shit out of their car.

you will spend more money getting it NA 200whp than most people like to spend so they go out and buy FI.

CatCams, custom high compression pistons, lightweight rods, light weight flywheel, light weight crank pulley, full head porting, oversized valves (ferrea maybe), 3in from headers back, no cat. get some itbs if even possible to fit
compression and tuning is what is really holding back,
whats on the market piston wise you will get maybe 11:5 or so which is still a huge difference compared to stock.
and also the tuners willing to attempt to tune on 93.
get in touch with Chris Macellaro
http://www.myspace.com/efituningtechnologies

he travels everywhere and tunes (he is in DFW)

Who's Tom? How much is one of his turbo kits? Do I need an LSD for one of his kits? What's a good LSD to go with? How pricey are they?

Thanks,
-A

torsen and quaife are ATB diffs commonly called LSD which they are not.

OS Giken makes one for the getrag 285 that is a lsd.
Kaaz also makes one that is a lsd.

Who's Tom? How much is one of his turbo kits? Do I need an LSD for one of his kits? What's a good LSD to go with? How pricey are they?

Thanks,
-A

tom is the guy to go to for focus performance. he gives good info.. his turbo kits are the best for our cars... you probably want a LSD with a turbo but you don't have to have one. a LSD is going to run ya about 750-1500. the turbo kit with a turbo is going to run you 2000-4000. and you will need a tune 550. i think. i have the pricing right.

Bahahahaha, Hondas have good torque?????

Honda S2000: 240hp/161trq (I put down 150 trq *to the wheels* which is what an S2000 makes)
Honda Civic Si: 197hp/139trq
Honda Civic EK Si: 160hp/111trq
Acura Integra GSR: 170hp/128trq

And on every single one of them, their peak torque is typically at 6200 or *higher*

Hondas do well because they have short gears (4.10s stock on a lot of them), are light, and rev to the moon. It has nothing to do with "good" torque because, actually, they are gutless down low.
huh.. well all i know is those dam hondas were fast for little mods.. but thanks for the info...

93 octane is whats holding the SVT back from 200HP , if youe willing to run 105/110 all the time then go for it it can be done

If you want to make good power then do a Turbo , They work great from 200 to 300HP on the stock engine and make a great daily driver

Tom

Tom is this guy.... Shoot him a PM and he'll help you out.

You said originally that the car is your DD. If I were you ,I would pick up a 67mm TB, ORP, JRSC(Jackson racing super charger)w/BBK(Big Boost Kit), an LSD, and get Tom(1turbofocus) to tune it for your mods. It will still be a great DD, great auto-x car, great road course car and put a smile on your face everyday. If you want to drag race, take the Vette. If your worried about number, it should put you around 225-230hp and 170-180tq at the wheel.

^^I would like to add that my SVT puts a smile on my face every time I get in and I dont even have boost. :).. I get asked about it all the time too. I had a guy yesterday pull up beside me and told me that my car sounded mean, then asked is it fast... I got to laugh and proudly tell him no.. ;) (I rev match and have an ORP and borla exhaust, so it pops like crazy and sounds amazing)

This thread makes me laugh.

This thread makes me laugh.

I know. I did a search ,in the SVT Performance Chat ,for 200hp NA SVT and got 26 matches.[rofl]

hahaha....Yea it was between that and the whole hondas have tq.

Just like V8s have no low end.

You already have the best cams there are. If compared to the regular focus they are Stage 3-4. (very aggressive) You can get custom ones made but you wont see anything worth the money you will spend. Cam gears are also not worth the money. ORP and Tune will help though. ORP will give you a better power range and the Tune will improve drivability but not give you much in the way of power. But I do recommend these too. After the ORP and Tune you will be around 155 whp.

Got luck moding though. :)

OH and welcome :)


Oh some more stuff to consider.. Your exhaust, minus the Cat, is the best you can buy. If you want more noise you could aways go aftermarket and get a nice exhaust note out. But if you do an ORP that will accomplish that quite well. Ford had Cosworth design these motors and they pulled as much power out of the motor as allowed without going the FI route. They do respond very will to FI. Not so sure about Nitros but I would imagine it would respond well to that as well.

err doesn't the stock svt focus have 170 hp?

err doesn't the stock svt focus have 170 hp?

They're talking wheel hp. The SVT has 170 stock at the crank. It's about 145 whp.

Just like V8s have no low end.

LOL![slap]

I know. I did a search ,in the SVT Performance Chat ,for 200hp NA SVT and got 26 matches.[rofl]

This pops up all the time. If people would just stop and think, a stock NA SVTf makes 85 hp per liter. There are very few cars in the world that can top that.[headbang]

Honda b16, b18c, h22, k20, f20c, f22
Toyota 2zz-ge
Audi RS4

to name a few that have a higher ratio. But for the most part, yeah, you're right [:)]