: piston ring question?
700whpfocus 04-01-2010, 05:55 PM i have a set of the focus central low compression pistons. (FC-2609) !
I believe they are 8:2:1 compression. Please correct me if i'm wrong!
I am looking to get rings for them. I wanna put them in my turbo build!
I called probe industries today. They told me that those pistons were used with (SVT PISTON RINGS). Has anyone heard diufferent? Beside the stock SVT rings, what would ya reccomend?
Mother Focus 04-01-2010, 07:25 PM Total seal piston rings, I am doing my engine right now and is highly recommended, you can contact "Fernando", Fast Tuner.
bmylez 04-01-2010, 08:15 PM Seeing that Fernando is making insane power, I'd trust his recommendation [:)]
1turbofocus 04-01-2010, 09:05 PM "Total seal" brand is fine just I wouldnt use a totaly sealed ring "Total seal" makes both actually "Total Seal" makes about 75% of all rings made
Tom
02_z_x_3 04-01-2010, 09:13 PM tom what are the pros/cons of a totally sealed ring and why do you advise not to use them? just trying to learn here
700whpfocus 04-02-2010, 12:43 AM "Total seal" brand is fine just I wouldnt use a totaly sealed ring "Total seal" makes both actually "Total Seal" makes about 75% of all rings made
Tom
who would you use Tom? are there pros and cons about the gapless rings?
Would you stay away from the svt rings?
1turbofocus 04-02-2010, 10:59 AM Gapless rings have pro and cons , I dont like them on smaller bores and I dont like them on boosted cars actually I dont like them at all
Its long and detailed , gapless rings using lap joints and some called slant have been around for 60 years and the exact rings have been used in ATX Trans even longer to controle fluids , They basicly were developed for air compressors. In the lower Cyl Psi grocery getter they may be fine but why use them there. High Cyl psi range is the problem and what " I " have seen is some race engines exceed 2000psi and this binds/distorts the rings and makes them worthless , read why below
They like to throw out how well the leakdown test show how well the rings work , problem is this is a static test much like a compression test where you dont have the heat , psi , extreem Cyl psi and does not show what they do with 15psi and 5000 rpm
In my opinion there a sales gimic and I have never seen them do anything woth the cost
Done even get me going on "Chrome Molly" as there is no such thing
Yes the SVT rings are good there the newer smaller lower tention "type" rings and will do what your looking for
Tom
700whpfocus 04-02-2010, 11:56 AM Hey Tom..it just hit me. what rings did u use in your 700whp monster? If i am not mistaken. you used Probe pistons in that build. P,lease correct me if i'm wrong!
1turbofocus 04-02-2010, 03:52 PM Yes probes , I allways use file fit STD type rings nothing special
Tom
03OrangeSVT 04-02-2010, 07:14 PM I also run the Probes with the file to fit rings.
700whpfocus 04-03-2010, 12:59 AM I also run the Probes with the file to fit rings.
This may sound stupid. what do you mean "file to fit rings"? Besides svt rings......what would be the next grade up you would use for more power?
Legendary_ZX3 04-03-2010, 02:29 AM File to fit rings are just your standard piston ring.. you have to file the rings to set your ring end gap.. all piston manufacturers give data sheets on the calculations based on bore size to determine a round about end gap for whatever your application may be.
700whpfocus 04-03-2010, 01:02 PM File to fit rings are just your standard piston ring.. you have to file the rings to set your ring end gap.. all piston manufacturers give data sheets on the calculations based on bore size to determine a round about end gap for whatever your application may be.
Thanks for the clarification. I thought so, but wasn't 100% sure if i was correct or not!
what would you guys use as for an upgrade to the svt rings?
700whpfocus 04-04-2010, 08:04 AM any suggestions?
1turbofocus 04-04-2010, 09:13 AM Why not use them ?
Tom
drunkinmonkey 04-04-2010, 07:48 PM sorry to thread jack but how do install rings on pistons i have je pistons and wanna put the rings on them doesn anyone have a how to on putting rings on????also would i need to do any grinding or are they just basically put the rings on and install the pistons???
agian sorry to thread jack
thanks
1turbofocus 04-04-2010, 07:56 PM I would let some one do that that knows what there doing , there are top and middle rings , there you have to have the up part of the ring up , then you have to have the gaps rotated correctly
Then if your not carefull you will break the rings installing them into the Cyl
Tom
700whpfocus 04-05-2010, 02:09 PM Why not use them ?
Tom
How much do svt rings cost tom?
1turbofocus 04-05-2010, 06:08 PM That I cannot answer , Contact Hilbush Ford in NC , good guys to work with and good prices
Tom
03OrangeSVT 04-05-2010, 06:43 PM My buddy just bought SVT rings and rod bearings shipped from Hillbish to Ohio for $195
700whpfocus 04-07-2010, 08:46 AM ok.......................i'll give them a call
lloydrage 04-07-2010, 08:52 AM Yes probes , I allways use file fit STD type rings nothing special
Tom
I'd go with what he said
700whpfocus 09-15-2010, 11:51 PM I would let some one do that that knows what there doing , there are top and middle rings , there you have to have the up part of the ring up , then you have to have the gaps rotated correctly
Then if your not carefull you will break the rings installing them into the Cyl
Tom
does anyone have pics or a diagrahm of the svt rings installed? is the groove side up or down?
Turbo Turtle 09-16-2010, 12:03 AM they should have a dot on the end of the ring. the dot goes up
I have the orginal probe rings that came with my pistons if someone wants to buy them off me. I also have addition wrist pin locks (these we're super expensive) .
I went total seal, but my total seals we're custom. I believe its the middle ring is total seal and top ring is a gapped ring. Mine are reverse.
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